It may be both. But the baker said he had moral reservations about a particular category of customers--gays. If that is ignored or allowed to get buy, others will notice the precedent, and gays better learn to be self-sufficient. As for the atheists, Jews, Muslims and Satanists, they are religious groups constitutionally protected by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, so they can go to court and get rich if the baker and his ilk deny them service. Democrats, liberals, Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, etc., however, are on their own. Gays are not a proteced class under the feeral Civil Rights Act, and are unprotected from discrimination in some states, including mine. The category "sexual orientation" was added to Colorado's Public Accommodations Law in 2008. Hence, the baker case
Well it's not just about cakes and bakers. It's about a principle, and if we let it go, those minorities we'll be back to the situation of blacks in the early sixties. We're all minorities of some kind.
I don't know. Have any Atheist, Jews, Muslims or Satanist attempted to buy a cake from him? Have there been any lawsuits from anyone from these groups? It's clear to me that he is a religious man. While I may not agree to that being important for my life, he does his. That doesn't mean he is a prick. Just means we have different beliefs.
For once we can agree. Learn to be self sufficient. It will take you a lot farther in life, than trying to be accommodated by others.
I'm sure homosexuals have been around as long as homosapiens and even before. Homosexual activity has been documented in all mammals and other species as well. It might not have been exclusive homosexuality, though, since that tends to happen in societies that make a big deal about sexual orientation. And most humans must have been hetero or bi. I deduce this from the facts that we're here having this conversation and that storks don't bring babies. What does all this have to do with the present predicament of homosexuals in the United States? At least since Leviticus, homosexuals have been targets of discrimination, & in the U.S.A. they're still fair game in states like Oklahoma, Kansas and Texas. Good example of the fallacy of relative privation: how can I complain about treatment of gays when there are far worse things like automatic rifles to complain about? Well, I've complained about the automatic rifles extensively on several other threads, so I thought I'd take up gays and wedding cakes as a change of pace.
Is the baker denying ALL goods and services to homosexuals? Or is it just wedding cakes? I’m pretty sure these Christian bakers would probably sell them a croissant
Actually they accept gays, they just don't want to partake in their weddings. It's like someone accepting a neo nazi, but not wanting to bake a cake for their rally.
Nazis are not protected no more than bacon eaters.. But nothing says my rights are violated by driving 100miles past 60 other bakeries to say your rights are violated..
No. I just compared why one person would to service one event to another person refusing to serve another. It' called an analogy. An analogy is to illustrate the point I'm trying to make.
Well, your all getting what you wanted. It's starting. Congratulations. 'No Gays Allowed': Hardware store emboldened by Supreme Court cake ruling hangs discriminatory sign
No liberals allowed too What if you are Gay and Republican? What happens if you walk in with bicycle shorts, no shirt, but a red Make America Great again cap?
I was reading that ruling and it said the cakemaker's religious beliefs had to be respected in this case. This seems so close to the cakemaker saying he wouldn't make a cake for a black/white couple, or a Jewish/Catholic couple because his religion doesn't recognize interracial or interfaith marriages. It's a poor ruling and will be cited by people using religion as a reason to discriminate. The hardware store owner isn't citing religion as a reason to deny service to gays and liberals. He's simply being a prick. I hope he's sued, boycotted or both. But on one level, I'm glad he's out of the closet with his feelings. I wouldn't want to patronize him. Some people are blinded by hate. Money is green. And it spends with no prejudice, everywhere.
Let's suppose (just for the sake of argument of course ) that I hate mindless, bible-thumping, fundamentalist assholes. Furthermore let us assume that I own a bakery and that someone from the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, KS (Westboro Baptist Church Home Page) has come to my establishment for the purpose of purchasing a cake with the Christian phrase God Hates Fags written across it. Am I legally obliged to honor his request, or do I have the right to shove my (legal purchased) AR-15 assault-style weapon in the fucking little twerp's face and tell him to get the hell out?
The way I understand the ruling is that you are only free to discriminate if you belong to some religion. Atheists can't legally discriminate as they don't belong to a religion. So if you belong to a religion, then yes you can discriminate against another religion or even an atheist for anything that you believe violates your religious tenets or dogma.