Brexit

I could.
But I won't!
I gave up on wasting my time a long time ago!

 

Booze

Sorry mate what are you on about?

Do you want something explained to you - LOL like maybe how to have an honest debate?

 

Booze

LOL oh yes, like you soooooo could...but....you know....like...well... its just that... well...you really can't

I mean come on are you really going with that old joke of an excuse - oh I could and if I did you’d be sorry but I’m choosing not to….

How do you look at yourself in a mirror

 

For all the Union Jack waving and jingoistic tub-thumping of the leavers it is actually the remainers that love the UK more.

It’s the remainers that have bothered to gather the knowledge to make an informed decision, it’s the remainers that care enough to think about what would be best for the people of this country.

It’s like those people that don’t vaccinate their kids, they have fallen for a whole load of lies and conspiracy theories only to actually put their kids and other people at greater risk of catching diseases.

If such people had made the effort to become informed from reputable experts rather than charlatans they would be in a better position to know what was best for their child.

But like leavers many don’t seem to want to make that effort.

And that is something else I’ve learnt about at least some of the leavers – they I’m sorry to say seem rather lazy.

Even the simplest of things they can’t be bothered to do - although some claim they could do them, they just never can.

Too lazy to do some simple research to lazy it seems to just think things through, and if asked to think they react like the leavers above, they become huffy, they claim they have not the time of energy that they say they will put in the effort then run away, they simply just don’t do it.

So maybe it not like those people that don’t vaccinate their kids but closer to those people that get done for child neglect because they just can’t be bothered to look after their child.

Either way by being uninformed or negligent they are hurting the thing they should love, care for and protect.

 

Love your snering quote Union Jack wavers.

Shows you up for what you are.

O and whats the f+uck has vaccinating your children have to do with anything.

You are a Moron who cannot discus any others point of view.

 

haha, that's funny.
he's trying incredibly hard to discuss others' point of view.
that is what he wants to do.

and the fuck it has to do with anything... that's called an "analogy".

 

Few people realize how over recent years the EU has changed from a trading agreement into a vast nanny state, producing nothing more than a uniform mediocrity.
The whole f****ing thing needs to break up before any more damage is done.
Just ask yourself why they are not pleased to see the back of us and you may work out the answer.
Many people think that if we succeed it will not be too long before other countries (led by France) follow us. The whole Irish border issue (no one bothered when we joined and Ireland was not a member) is solely intended to create an almost impossible situation for a French withdrawal.

 

Taking Balbus tactic.
Please explain exactly what you mean there in no less than 1,000 words.

Cheers!

 

I agree with Galty.

Cheers Galty.

 

Everyone so down on the EU...

Man, their website talks a good one. It's all about goals/values dignity integrity blah blah blah blah blah.

It's all just rubbish according to some. None of it worth the price. I guess we'll see what happens now.

The EU in brief | European Union

 

He isn't Rue That's the problem if you could only see it ! Never mind though none of it is worth everyone getting steamed up over Really

 

I think that is called very biased propaganda Soul.
And it is this kind of thing that makes me MAD about the EU.
THIS is the sort of thing WE pay for! :

Anger over £440,000 'golden goodbye' payments to EU top dogs Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk | Daily Mail Online

Anger over £440,000 'golden goodbye' payments to EU top dogs Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk when they stand down later this year

• Juncker and Donald Tusk in line for nearly £440,000 in 'golden goodbyes'
• European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker can pocket £144,000
• Donald Tusk is in line to rake in up to £288,000 for a 'transitional allowance'
• The pair will still be entitled to the handouts even if they secure new jobs

Brussels was accused of 'unacceptable greed' last night as it emerged Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk are in line for nearly £440,000 in 'golden goodbyes'.

The Eurocrats, whose terms finish in November, are entitled to the bumper severance payments after leaving office.

It means Mr Tusk, president of the European Council, is in line to rake in up to £288,000 for a 'transitional allowance', while European Commission chief Mr Juncker can pocket £144,000.

Jacob Rees-Mogg said: 'It seems odd to have 'golden goodbyes' for people in a fixed-term job. It is another example of EU extravagance paid for in part by the British taxpayer. It's even more reason not to hand over the £39billion willy-nilly.'

The heads of the European Council and European Commission are entitled to receive 50 per cent of their current £24,000-a-month basic salary every month for two years after leaving office.



The Mail can also reveal that Mr Juncker's 28 commissioners – the next tier of officials, which include Britain's Sir Julian King – will collectively be in line for more than £4.7million in 'golden goodbyes' [File photo]

 

Still, I think there is something commendable about serving in a government position. The people were in service, and while I know nothing about them, it seems like it's a common practice comparable to golden parachutes for retirees of high position in the corporate sphere.

It's not that important to me. All I was pointing out is they seem to have their ducks in a row with terms like "Human Dignity" and "Democracy" being stated as their core values.

But I hear what you're saying @Boozercruiser. There is always room for improvement, and it sounds like where money is concerned they could clean up their act, if what you're saying is true.

 

@soulcompromise There is one huge difference that being when people leave private corporations their exit packages are paid for with money earned through the production of goods and services or rather earned income. Government on the other hand produces no wealth of it's own but rather levies it from those who do thus the constant need for ever greater tax revenue or as they like to call it " revenue enhancements ".
Public service has always been supposed to be about serving the public and insuring one's country, state, city or county was better than when he/she came. Not so anymore it's now about fleecing an unsuspecting public for every dime it's worth.

 

Hi soul.
I believe that to be true soul as the figures given there are from registered and undenied published amounts from the EU itself.
If I may say so.
It is very nice conversing with you in respect of this and other subjects.
I can see you are very compromising (so your forum name fits exactly) and willing to see the other persons point of view.
I try to be like that as well, but I must admit I don't always succeed.
Want proof?
Ask Balbus!

 

LOL......



Cheers Glen.

 

NA

But good governments are meant to produce the conditions in which people and businesses can flourish. They are giving a service for which people and companies pay, they make laws and regulations that they police to the benefit of the people and businesses, they enact policies and build infrastructure and so on and so on.

At the moment because of bad ideology leading to bad government we have got the threat of Brexit which if it goes through will cause the country and its people great harm cost both dearly.

I first think you need to read some history, look up Walpole for example and the East India company college

Anyway there has always been a problem of balance, you don’t want to pay too much but you do what to attract good people (pay peanuts and you get monkeys as they say). You also don’t want people that can be easily bribed or influence by wealth.

But wealth sponsored neoliberalism often attacks civil servants for been paid ‘too much’ or for getting golden handshakes because they want ‘small government’ or weak government run by those on low pay which as a coincidence would make it easier for the wealthy to influence.

The UK neoliberal press on UK civil servants

About 20,000 officials fell victim to the austerity drive in the last financial year, costing the taxpayer almost £1 billion in “golden handshakes”. Dozens of public servants left their posts with six-figure lump sums.

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More than 1,600 highly paid employees received payments of more than £100,000 in 2016/17, costing a total of £198 million, according to the Treasury. Exit payments across the public sector were £1.2 billion.

 

Wils

Can you actually back this up in any way?

I mean it’s already been pointed out how small the actually EU is so calling it a ‘vast nanny state’ seem a bit of a stretch (post 848)

there are 46,356 people employed across all EU institutions At first glance, these figures might seem quite high, particularly if we look at the commission. But for an administrative staff covering institutions serving over 500m people it’s a shoestring operation, especially when we compare it to civil services operating at the national, or even local levels. Compare this, for example, to the 33,477 people employed by Birmingham City Council, covering a population of 1.1m in 2015-16.

How many people work for the EU?

On 31 March 2017, there were 332,800 Civil Service employees in England, 43,220 in Scotland, 32,440 in Wales and 3,760 in Northern Ireland.

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It has also been pointed out that that it was never meant to be just a trading agreement (post 798)

The whole idea of the European project was for ‘ever closer union’ “It is found in the Preamble to the 1957 treaty that set up what became the EU [and] on at least six occasions the UK has signed up to it (firstly in becoming a member, and then agreeing to subsequent treaty changes)”


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Have you any example of this?

 

Wils

Actually what seems to have happened is that support for the EU has grown as the other countries in it see what has happened in the UK.

Support for remaining in the EU stands at well over 80 per cent in the majority of member states, a new continent-wide poll has found – with Britain’s political crisis apparently a poor advert for leaving

What?

Britain and Ireland joined at the same time on the 1 January 1973 the Good Friday agreement was signed I believe in 1998.

What has that to do with the French?

 

Booze

LOL and then you go and quote the right wing propaganda rag the fucking Daily Mail

As I’ve said before you couldn't make this shit up

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