Climate Change is Accelerating

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Joshua Tree, Sep 22, 2019.

  1. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    FYI, it's illegal to live in a wilderness area. I suggest you move on before you're discovered and heavily fined, possibly even jailed. They don't take that stuff lightly.
     
  2. Driftrue

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    No, I'm aware of your lifestyle.. Mine is similar, so I don't know how my approach could be that of a city dweller. "Out your window" was an easy way to sum up the concept of "what you observe in your life", I did not mean it literally.
     
  3. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Okay, Greta.
     
  4. Irminsul

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    Das Greta

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  5. Meliai

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    Oh sick burn
     
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  6. Driftrue

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    And you sound ridiculous again because where's the actual response? Why is she wrong?

    And no, I can't watch videos while at work. I'm not here for YouTube recs anyway, I'm here for conversation. You can give me your opinions, fed by whatever videos. I'm asking you the motivation for this conspiracy.
     
  7. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    We also remember back a few decades where California fires made the news year after year. After years. For over half a century, California's been burning every year, some years more than others.

    Seems Californians woulda learned something by now. Leaving all that dried dead biomass on the ground makes for primo fire spreading material, eh? Wooden houses with flammable shingles amongst all the biomass doesn't seem well thought out, eh? More and more development spreading out through the hills laden with biomass increases the impact of the wildfires, hmmm?

    But if we can find a scapegoat to camouflage a lack of insight and action, why not?
     
  8. Meliai

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    But that's the exact purpose of the climate strikes, to speak out against a lack of insight and action.
     
  9. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Feel free to bookmark it for later consumption then. I can write all day and never get close. I'm no expert so let's let the experts tell us what they've found.

    And, why is she wrong? Who said she's wrong? She's parroting the same narrative that Greta is. "You decide which is right, and which is an illusion."
     
  10. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Dear Children,

    I’m sorry adults have frightened you about climate change and how it might affect your future. You might be less afraid if you knew some facts that adults intentionally do not explain to you. I’ll tell you here.

    The news was once a source of real information, or so we thought. But in the modern world, the news people discovered they can make more money by presenting scary news regardless of whether it is true or not. Today, much of the news on the right and the left is opinion that is meant to scare you, not inform you, because scary things get more attention, and that makes the news business more profitable. The same is true for people who write books; authors often make books scary so you will buy them. Most adults know all the scariness is not real. Most kids do not. You just learned it.

    Nuclear energy used to be dangerous, back in the olden days. Today’s nuclear power plants (the ones built in the past 20 years all over the world) have killed zero people, and are considered the safest form of energy in the world. More people have died installing solar panels and falling off roofs than have died from nuclear power problems anywhere in the world for the past few decades. And nuclear energy is the obvious way to address climate change, say most of the smartest adults in the world, because it can provide abundant, cheap, clean energy with zero carbon emissions.

    Nuclear energy as a solution to climate change is one of the rare solutions backed by several Democrats running for president and nearly all Republicans. Please note that two Democrats in favor of nuclear energy (Corey Booker and Andrew Yang) are among the youngest and smartest in the game. To be fair, the oldest Democrat running for president, Joe Biden, also supports nuclear energy because he is well-informed.

    If you are worried about nuclear waste, you probably should not be. Every country with nuclear energy (and there are lots of them) successfully stores their nuclear waste. If you put all the nuclear waste in the world in one place, it would fit on one football field. It isn’t a big problem. And new nuclear power designs will actually eat that nuclear waste and turn it into electricity, so the total amount of waste could come way down.

    The United Nations estimates that the economic impact of climate change will reduce the economy by 10% in eighty years. What they don’t tell you is that the economy will be about five times bigger and better by then, so you won’t even notice the 10% that didn’t happen. And that worst case is only if we do nothing to address climate change, which is not the case.

    A number of companies have recently built machines that can suck CO2 right out of the air. At the moment, using those machines would be too expensive. But as they come down in cost and improve in efficiency, we have a solution already in hand should it ever be needed. It would be expensive, but there is no real risk of CO2 ruining the world now that we know how to remove any excess from the atmosphere. (Plants need CO2 to thrive, so we don’t want to remove too much. Greenhouses actually pump in CO2 to make plants grow better.)

    Scientists tell us that we could reduce climate risks by planting more trees. (A lot more.) That’s all doable, should the world decide it is necessary. There are a number of other companies and technologies that also address climate change in a variety of ways. Any one of the approaches I mentioned (nuclear energy, CO2 scrubbers, planting trees) could be enough to address any climate risks, but there are dozens of ways of dealing with climate change, and more coming every day.

    Throughout all modern history, when we humans see a problem coming from far away, we have a 100% success rate in solving it. Climate change is no different. All the right people are working hard at a wide variety of solutions and already know how to get there, meaning more nuclear power plus CO2 scrubbers, plus lots of green power from solar, wind, and more.

    If you are worried about rising sea levels, don’t be. The smartest and richest people in the world are still buying property on the beach. They don’t see the problem. And if sea levels do rise, it will happen slowly enough for people to adjust.

    Adults sometimes like to use children to carry their messages because it makes it hard for the other side to criticize them without seeming like monsters. If adults have encouraged you to panic about climate change without telling you what I am telling you here, they do not have your best interests at heart. They are using you.

    When you ask adults about nuclear energy, expect them to have old understanding about it, meaning they don’t know the newer nuclear energy technologies are the safest energy on the planet.

    What I told you today is not always understood even by adults. You are now smarter than most adults on the topic of climate.

    My generation has a lot of faith in your generation. You will be the most educated and effective humans of all time. My generation (and a few generations younger than me) already has the fixes to address climate risks coming online. Your generation will finish the job.

    We adults respect your passion and your energy on the topic of climate. But it isn’t fair for us to deny you the basic facts while at the same time scaring you into action. I hope this letter helps you sleep better. We adults have this problem under control, or will soon, and you’ll help us finish the job. So get some good sleep tonight. Together, we got this.

    Scott Adams
     
  11. wooleeheron

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    Scapegoats don't camouflage a lack of insight, they provide a means of flat-out denying the truth, suppressing the truth, and ignoring the reality. Its memory-centric systems logic that reflects the mindless mob organizing along the lines of a flock of chickens. The only decision the idiots are capable of making is what to collectively ignore, making their behavior similar to a feedback suppression system in a public address or FM stereo, and so predictable the mathematicians and Game theorists are using it to document and manipulate the impact of fake news.

    No less than 40 years of extensive studies, concluded the republican party organizes like chickens, which have been modeled extensively. A sea snail is an even more primitive example of memory-centric systems logic. The only decision it has to make is whether to eat, mate with, run from, or ignore whatever it bumbles across and, of these choices, the only practical use for its pathetic excuse for a brain is efficiently deciding what to studiously ignore. All the ranting and raving and outrageous statements, are the mindless mob screaming "I can't hear you!"

    The idea that life, much less politics, requires trust and communication is anathema among the KKK. For them, by who you hate, by this are you truly known, and its always an issue of the lesser of many evils.
     
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  12. Driftrue

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    Mel isn't the parroting type.

    As for that letter. Wtf. It's basically agreeing with people like Greta. The changes and fixes and technologies that give us hope exist because of people like Greta.
     
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    I'm just glad that the PA marijuana industry is doing so much to help ..
    66 thousand disposable vapor pens sold in one year. most of those probably went into the trash, a ditch, sewer.
    1/8oz plastic containers for 1gram of cannabis..
    Paper packaging not derived from hemp..
    Lighting sucking energy from fossil fuel power grid, when there is this thing called The SUN!
    If Blunt wrappers were dollar bills, Id probably have 10thousand dollars now by picking them up..
    Wasnt even a year this dispensary opened at least once a week I spot packaging trash on my walk to it.

    Potheads so environmentally friendly..
     
  14. Driftrue

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    Don't worry everyone, the SMARTEST AND RICHEST people are still buying coastal properties!!
     
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    This is why it's so important to raise awareness and to keep this issue in the spotlight and continue to put pressure both at the individual level and industry level to make changes
     
  16. K.M316

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    There is only one way to seriously change the minds of those who can do something about climate change.

    The most powerful, the most wealthy, the scientist, the world leaders...strip them of their comforts, and throw them into some of the worlds harshest lived areas. Let them survive for a year as the people who struggle there do.

    Let them get sick from drinking the water that these people do. Let them bake in the sun. Let them walk miles to get nasty water just to drink and cook the little food they have. Let them look for shade in areas where all the tree have been removed, so the wealthy can plant coffee, and claim they are helping the locals.

    Let them be afraid to sleep at night, because the home for Jaguars have been cut down, and now the animals look in haman villages for food...or a new born child.

    Send the once powerful and wealthy to help clean up all the plastic in our oceans the hard way...by hand...day in and day out, in the hot sun...no comfort of A/C units.

    The rich and powerful will hardly do anything...why?? It does not affect them. Even when it does, they simply pay someone else to make the problem go away. They only spend money to help when there is a way to recover the money they spent.

    You want gun laws to change in the blink of an eye??? Let one of the leaders children get shot and killed. Guns will be outlawed by the end of the week. But since they are well protected, and can sleep safe at night, under the comfort of Air-conditioning, and heating for the cold...the rest of us can just keep working to help maintain that life style....it does not affect them one bit.
     
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  17. wooleeheron

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    They buy the land with higher elevation, which is why it was the poor people of New Orleans who were flooded out, and not the wealthy. New Jersey is the worst right now for building suburbs right in the middle of flood plains, but they are doing it everywhere because good places to build are becoming expensive. Everyone is moving towards the port cities on the coast, where the jobs are, and I do mean just about everybody.

    There's little alternative. The small towns are gone, the family farms are gone, small businesses are becoming more small potatoes just to compete with Walmart and Amazon, and the banks are insisting all these people work for them.
     
  18. Meliai

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    What are you talking about anyways
    I merely pointed out that anecdotal evidence does not trump scientific evidence. It isnt that your own observations are false, it's that they dont begin to capture the entire picture. They're a tiny little spot of paint in the picture
     
  19. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    And I merely pointed out that there are serious scientists on both sides of the issue, they there's no consensus among all scientists. You're taking one side as of it were established fact when neither is.

    Did you watch the video now several posts back this morning?
     
  20. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    There's way too many spoiled brats in this country. People whose mommies were too involved with other things to just say no to their kids.
     

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