Brexit anybody?

I did not mention that the majority of immigrants are bad. Do not put words in my mouth. I did say that immigrants should be checked. and the rejects kicked out. I do not have any fears. I am an immigrant and was duly checked out and accepted. The government should set the standards and reject any trouble causers.

 

You wouldnt have to repeat that 100 times if you actually believed it

EU allows yet another extension, the whole world is going to know they are bluffing, whether its a 3 month or 8 month extension, doubt there will be agreement on a deal by the end of that

Labour and the DUP vote against this deal, but then one of the EU countries veto, and you crash out no deal, then no deal brexit will be Labour and the DUPs fault

In one many of speaking, the whole of europe has been held hostage by a party too crooked to run their own parliament in NI and with what would usually be an inconsequential 10 seats in the UK assembly

 

May

But as pointed out we have an opt out of the Schengen Agreement so we can (and do already) have migration control and we could have a lot more if we wanted and that is up to the UK not the EU.

Also I’ve already highlighted that under current EU laws the UK is allowed to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves. Other countries, such as Belgium, regularly repatriate thousands of individuals based on this directive. UK governments choose not to do that.

Because as also pointed out successive UK governments have actually seen immigration as bring in more benefits than drawbacks so has lessened controls and laxly enforced regulations.

It has mainly been the right wing media that has stirred up dislike of migrants portraying them as as scroungers and trouble makers, often as scapegoats for societal problems actually caused by right wing policies. For example blaming problems in the NHS on migrants ‘overburdening’ the service and not the true problem neoliberal defunding of the institution.

May I ask are you a migrant from the EU or outside the EU? Did you come here to work or seeking asylum?

 

Please read carefully and inwardly digest.
Thank you.

FORGET POLITICS, IS BORIS’S NEW EU TREATY BREXIT?

No, it’s not Brexit factsheet no.7 –
The EU’s new UK Colonisation Treaty A layman’s summary of the EU’s new ‘UK colonisation treaty’ agreed by the PM yesterday

1. Parliament will not be sovereign - UK still to be governed by existing and new laws of the ECJ – a foreign court – and with no say over these laws. [WA articles 4, 87, 89 and 127, PD para 131]

2. Demands payment of a sum to be decided by the EU - Minimum £39 billion but this is likely to increase and the EU decides the final sum. This must be paid BEFORE any trade deal is agreed. [WA articles 138-144, and 152-155]

3. No trade deal with EU – Not included as this is just a divorce treaty. Any EU trade deal must ensure “a level playing field for open and fair competition” and “deep regulatory and customs cooperation”. This will make it difficult for the UK to reduce non-tariff barriers in trade deals with USA, Australia, China, etc. [PD paras 17 & 21]

4. Prevents independent tax policy - Political Declaration still obliges UK to adopt a future relationship which will impose EU State Aid rules and “relevant tax matters” on the UK. EU specifically intends to curb UK’s ability to have “harmful tax practices”. Withdrawal Treaty also applies EU law to UK during transition period - allowing EU to sue UK, including infringement proceedings for as yet unidentified breaches of State Aid rules and billions in VAT on commodity derivative transactions dating back to 1970s. [PD para 77, WA articles 86, 93, 127].

5. Restricts independent foreign policy - UK to be bound by international agreements concluded by the EU despite having no influence in their negotiation during the transition period and must “refrain, during the transition period, from any action... which is likely to be prejudicial” to the interests of the EU. [Articles 129(3) and (6)].

6. Prevents independent military action – UK permanently stopped from taking “any action likely to conflict with or impede” EU’s foreign policies. Critical parts of section on foreign policy and security are not reciprocal, eg future relationship will not “prejudice the decision-making autonomy of the EU” but no such language for UK – only permitted to “maintain the right to determine how [to respond] to any invitation to participate in operations or missions”. Also, parties “agree to consider” security collaboration in European Defence Agency, European Defence Fund, and PESCO “to the extent possible under [EU law]” which is prescriptive (not permissive) obligation. Despite paying for European Defence Agency during transition, British troops in EU battlegroups will not be led by British staff officers. [WA articles 129(6-7) and 156-157 and PD paras 99, 102(c)]

7. Controls UK fishing – Common Fisheries Policy continues in UK waters during transition (which can be extended) but UK will have no say in implementation or enforcement. After transition, Political Declaration requires “cooperation on... regulation of fisheries, in a non-discriminatory manner” - code for continuing current arrangements for EU access to UK waters. Any trade deal to “ensure service providers and investors are treated in a non-discriminatory manner, including with regard to establishment” - prevents UK protecting quotas from EU purchase. [PD paras 29 and 72]

8. Replaces one EU Commission with another - New body established with “powers equivalent to those of the European Commission”. UK must accept exclusive jurisdiction of Arbitration Panel and judgments of ECJ. Grants EU officials criminal immunity and exemption from UK tax. Imposes gagging order on UK which must keep all EU information confidential but EU can use UK information as it sees fit. [WA articles 74, 101, 104-5, 106-116, 159, 168, 174]

9. Leaves UK with €500bn liabilities from EU Investment Bank but no profits - No rights to past and future profits made from UK investment in EIB, no rights to UK share of assets of EIB, yet UK remaining liable for risk of up to €500bn of guarantees. UK must let EU bid for UK public projects at least during transition. [WA articles 34, 75-78, 127, 143, 147, 150].

10. EU colonisation - makes UK bystander in laws that govern it - UK permitted to send civil servant to Brussels to observe EU passing laws designed to disadvantage UK economy during transition which might last many years. EU could regulate London’s huge foreign exchange markets, impose financial transaction tax that would be collected at UK expense by HMRC but sent to foreign governments. [WA article 34] Prepared by Brexit Facts4EU.Org with advice from a Brussels-based barrister For more information: https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_oct_eu_treaty_for_uk_

 

Please do not shout at me.
I support Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party.
Get to hell out and negotiate later. I agree with the bold statements that you have made. All of the items already apply.
If the UK walks out without a deal on the 31st they will be in a much more powerful position. The EU needs the UK. They need to allow imports of goods. I have mentioned the French farming products and the German manufacturing industries to be sold in the UK Germany is on the brink of a major recession NOW without Brexit making things worse.
Many members of the UK parliament are TRAITORS in my opinion and should be dealt with accordingly. They all promised Brexit after the referendum and election.
If I was Boris and or Farage I would list the traitors publicly and broadcast in the coming election that they cannot be trusted.

 

Booze is either very p***ed indeed, or, like all brexiteers is trying to tell us a load of old bullsh*t !!!

 

What do you think yesterday means?

 

Parliament re-asserting its authority over Boris and the executive !!!

 

Still have to wait a couple days, 322-306 was fairly close. You only need 8 of them to have been in the wait till we see what Boris does with the letter camp to swing back this week.

Although it will probably get bogged down again

 

Arrogant bastard (Boris) couldn't even sign the letter !!!

 

U.S. Approved to Impose $7.5 Billion of European Union Tariffs

"The World Trade Organization says the United States can impose tariffs on up to $7.5 billion worth of goods from the European Union as retaliation for illegal subsidies to European plane-maker Airbus — a record award from the trade body.

The move green-lights the Trump administration to slap countermeasures on the 28-member bloc and follows a WTO ruling in May 2018 on the Airbus subsidies."

 

Boris's plans to exit EU now lay in tatters if MPs vote for customs union deal with the EU !!!


Boris Johnson's Brexit plan in chaos as bid to force customs union deal has 'very good chance' of passing

 

In the long diatribe above from cut and pasted from a very pro-Brexit blog it is clear the author and reader seem to be completely divorced from reality, its demanding again that they want a unicorn.

I mean they don’t seem to realise that even after the UK left the EU without a deal we would still need to negotiate a deal.

It is just that after leaving with NO DEAL we would be far more desperate and facing a much more hostile EU27.

The idea that you can have your cake and eat it is the very definition of impossible.

 

And they make my point for me – we need a second vote

The leave vote was SPLIT

People voted for differing version of Brexit that were often incompatible with others, so one type of deal that would be acceptable to one or two groups would be vehemently opposed by other groups of leavers. And a leave without a deal (that wasn’t even canvassed for in the referendum) that some want is strongly opposed by many other types of leavers.

What we need is a long delay or to revoke article 50 so the leavers can decide what they want – then they can bring it to the table after it has been peer reviewed costed and given due scrutiny and then it can be presented to the country – so this time people know exactly what they are voting for.

 

Imagine a couple where the husband has constantly been putting down his wife for years and she has carried on for the sake of the children. Then one day he turns around and says he wants a divorce so he can go and have sex with other women.

But he wants to carry on having sex with her and wants to carry on living in their house but not pay into the mortgage anymore.

He then becomes very annoyed then angry when her lawyer informs him that sex with her is just not going to happen, that all the property has to be shared out equally and she is getting custody of the kids.

Such guys are usually too proud to beg to be taken back

Instead they usually end up friendless, single, living in a mouldy bedsit in Dagenham and drinking half a bottle of scotch a night while mumbling ‘the bitch’ every once and awhile.

 

May

Traditional the punishment for traitors is execution

You want to kill those you see as your political opponents, how many would you kill, when does the murders begin and when do they stop?

Why so people can know who they are and where they live so that people like you can go and kill them what next do you want people that you don’t like to wear badges maybe a star of some kind?

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What about you other leavers here would you also agree with murdering the remoaners?

I do notice that not one leaver has condemned Mayvern for wanting to kill the 'traitors' so i can only persume you agree.

 

I suggest we 'vet' all the nazi sympathisers and when found, either execute them or kick 'em out !!!

 

I not in favour of executing anyone

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If anything I feel sorry for such extremists, oh if they take part in criminal activity they should face punishment but that doesn’t mean I hate them, such people have usually lost their way or have suffered in some way and need help. I’ve meet a onetime neo-Nazis who really regrets what he was doing and said it was like been sucked into a cult and only once he’d been able to get out did he realise how fucked up it was.

 

Yet another indicator showingt uk heading for recession. How many more 'indicators' do we need before the rabid 'leavers' accept that leaving without a decent 'deal' is good for the majority of uk citizens ???

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/10/...ellor-after-first-september-borrowing-hike-f/

 

So much for the fascist fringe wanting the uk out of the EU for fear of being flooded by immigrants. Seems quite the reverse, there are more uk citizens so p*ssed off by the scumbag 'nasty party' that they have left the uk entirely !!!

Brexit blamed as emigration from Britain to EU hits 10-year high