Thank You very much Donald Trump!!!

You think Texas never attempted to leave Mexico?

 

Do you always equate apples and water-melons?

 

Oh well we can't have that. You might have even got your way before you opened your stupid big dumb mouth.

When it's all said and done, I usually find that a man with a big mouth and a flappy tongue often sings hymns to his own demise.

X.O

 

Yeah, so like thanks for galvanising my post.

Now we can talk about slavery again without people getting labelled as racist.

 

But you know them? Who were they? Were they carrying tiki torches?

 

Speaking of stupid and unpleasant individuals, your comments about slavery take the cake. Immorality, stupidity and violence seem to be the norms in human history, and yes. the Judeo-Christian tradition was unfortunately often part of the problem. Judaism and Christianity had violent pasts, and passages in both the Old and New Testaments justifying slavery were used by southern preachers to justify the practice. In the ancient world, Cyrus the Great, a Persian Zoroastrian, took the lead in combating slavery. Among Christians, it was the Quakers.who took the lead, and later William Wilberforce, an Evangelical Christian. That was rather late in the game: 1787.

 

John Locke described slavery as a state of war, because one exercised arbitrary power over another human.

 

Okie, reading your comment, I have no idea what "comments [of mine] about slavery take the cake". Ergo, i would consider your comment rather stupid- certainly uninformative.

BTW, pre-Islamic Iran (ie when Zoroastrianism prevailed) had slavery, although I gather not to the extent it did after the Arab invasion. Perhaps you'd care to check your history.

The anti-slavery movement in the United States- and the colonies that preceded it- was spearheaded by the Christian teachings. The concept that all humans had souls was one that lead to the sanctity of the individual person. Yes, it took a lot, but that idea did prevail in the Christian West and, as you noted, Quakers were at the forefront. I'm sure had you been there, living in a society where slavery was embedded, you would have done much better than Americans (and colonials) of the day. Again, the remarkable thing in history was the movement away from slavery, and in the the Christian West lead the way, your half-baked references to Zoroastrian Persia not withstanding.

All human societies have violence in their history. So your statement referencing the New and Old Testaments is utterly meaningless in terms of informed discussion. One wonders why you single out the Judeo-Christian tradition.

 

The above is one of many attempts to use tone and manner to convey a message that is negative toward the person quoted. I've seen it. It's old! I don't think greene even buys it...

Okie's history lesson coming from a place of prejudice, racism, and bigotry... That's a good one! Everyone lean in close.

And somehow a reference to the bible is meaningless too! wow! We're all really impressed.



I think it's important to show here what our new friend identifies with. She hasn't been shy about allowing for slavery. She seems to feel it's divine - what's it called? Manifest destiny? That. Well anyway...

An old enemy, that... and a new face and name to go along with it. So you see greene. We can see what needs to be done. I'm sorry, but it's down to this. You start every retort by claiming you're superior or something in some way or other.

And you claim to think Okie and MeAgain are dumb?

 

I agree with you 100%.

 

I guess because he is racist...is the reason he was the first in south Florida to open his Golf Course membership to blacks and Jews in the 70's. And why he recently pushed for and signed The First Step Act Bill...something no other President has gotten through since Clinton passed his 3 strikes bill which targeted blacks and has put a disproportionate amount of blacks in prison. Or why he put Jennifer Hudson up in his hotel for free when her family was killed. And why he put Ben Carson over HUD to try to improve the lives of blacks in the inner cities...do some research on all Mr. Carson is accomplishing.

Black unemployment is at a record low. Black small business ownership is up 400% over when Obama was in office.
Hispanic unemployment is at a record low. He has no problem with LEGAL immigration. It's the illegals who are breaking the law just by being in this country...and don't even get me started on the disproportionate percentage of crimes committed by illegals vs the American population.

As Ivanka said, Donald J. Trump is an equal opportunity offender. Doesn't matter race or gender, come after him, he's coming after you twice as hard.

I have not researched your "claims". But my guess is they either "started it" and he came back at them...or there is more to the story than meets the eye....or they are outright lies people have told to discredit him.

I chose to look at his actions, not rumors. (see first paragraph as a good start)

But, thank God we finally have someone in the White House whose first concern and commitment are to the citizens of this country.

 

Oh, brother, soul. Correct, his comment about Scripture added nothing to the discussion. And no, I did not say either you or he were dumb; I did say both you and Okie have made stupid comments. There is a difference, between the two, but it is a distinction that seems to go past you. Here is an example (I presume you are referring to me):

"She hasn't been shy about allowing for slavery."

How did I "allow for slavery"? I don't even know what you mean by "allowing for it". It exists, and has since time immemorial. Did I defend it? I do think- as opposed to you- that I understand its tenacity in human history. In order to extirpate it from humanity, the dynamics behind it need to be understood. That too seems to be a thought that has not occurred to you.

I realize I have been blunt with you. So be it. I do not think that either of us are doing the other "a favor" here by interacting. That is simply not the point of being here.

 

Thank you Cloudy. This has gotten rather unpleasant. I come at things- and presume you do too- from a very different angle than most of the people here appear to.

 

What does "allowing for slavery" even mean?

I didn't receive such a message from the posting.

Consider though, that for most of human history slavery was a sign of great wealth and privilege, and the masters came from every race on the planet. I can certainly see how selling themselves into divinity would have been a prime element of maintaining control over the slaves.

 

I also live in Atlanta...and am so fed up with hearing how "racist" the south is. It's simply not the case. I challenge any "tolerant" northerner to come spend a month here...watch the interaction. Check out the back and forth between white diners and black waiters or black diners and white waiters. Sit in a hospital waiting room and listen to blacks and whites talking, maybe arguing, not about race...but about who has the best college football team. See the white guy who has stopped to help the black motorist stranded on the interstate...or visa versa. Or the young black high school baseball player going through the tailgate crowd before a UGA football game asking for donations for his traveling team...and the monetary responses I witnessed. Yes, these are all things I have seen just recently. So, the claims of racism from "tolerant" northerners (you do know that is dripping with sarcasm?) is infuriating.

 

So when fact checking this I saw this actually happened in the 90s.
Holy shit, Florida. Get your shit together.
Anyways that's a pretty cool story actually, I'll give Trump credit for that.

I watched a Trump documentary on Netflix recently and was really struck by how different he seemed in the 80s and 90s. Much more likable.
They interviewed a woman who worked closely with him for years who basically said the same thing, that at one point he was someone she could get along with and could push back against him and he would listen to her, and he was actually quite progressive in even promoting her to the position she was in as a woman in the 70s. But she said she started noticing changes in his personality and he eventually morphed into the blowhard he is today.
And no one can convince me the personality change isnt due to late stage syphyllis

 

I just wish that we could all friendly debate about everything without anybody hating someone based on their personal beliefs. :c
I used to be really political but now have decided to stay out of most of it because it just gets way to crazy and you're deemed a racist or something stupid if you don't agree with a certain political view.

 

^ exactly.

They don't see how passive aggressive they really are. And they also think they know what's best for you, me and everyone else in the world based on their own personal beliefs.

 

So, I agree with pretty much everything you have posted. You are bright, informed, and articulate. We do disagree on Trump. What's your beef with him? I'm curious?