Brexit

I’m not defending my arguments against someone who says, false, that’s incorrect, you haven’t given thus much though etc etc it’s pointless

but I love the fact you defend welsh devolution because that was different. It was a referendum as far as I recall

you then say it is different because it wasn’t to leave but instead for devolution. Argue it could have gone a different way

so what logic is behind the pitch to have a new referendum with a shit labour deal or stay or whatever they decide each alternate day ... are they expecting a different result? They are calling that democracy where we can know the facts but you’ve painted it as some sort of potential bias

 

Not sure if you have given it much thought

 

And you say everyone knew what remain meant. Pray tell - what about further integration? Army? Thr euro?

actually with the way the Eu is openly floating these changes I’m not sure people knew what they were voting for. Your saying the status quo and I think even the Eu disagrees with you

 

That happens everytime you vote in an election. You vote for your candidate who has given a bunch if promises, if they break their promises no one turns around and says, oh we should have a 2nd election because a someone thinks the voters didnt know every detail.

Same with a referendum. And in the case of the Brexit referendum, Labour voted and agreed on the nature of the question to not include any details of a deal anyway. So its Labours fault anyway

But its representative democracy, always a certain amount of trust placed in those candidates to work out the finer details. Total fiction to say that is not the case

 

Pretty much is always Balbus's only ever defense. Do a Sargent Shultz. I zee nuth-thing

 

Seems so. Anyways, I’d like to hear his positive case for staying. He may have said but not to me and I’m not reading 80+ pages.

he says people can’t think of a valid reason to leave, but he’s doesn’t really give a positive vision for the opposite.

I don’t know why the pro Brexit individuals should have their backs against the wall. He was on the losing side, personally i don’t feel like currently I’m in a position to have to defend or back up my views.

 

I mean recent news is tusk tells us not to give up on trying to cancel Brexit... while the Eu wants to impose fines in us for not nominating a U.K. commissioner. What the hell is that?? Don’t go, but if you don’t you must cough up? Great ta for that

 

Not sure he thought that one through.

 

Hi Mal

I see you are back posting and liking others post, glad to see you, but I would ask again why should anyone respect the likes from a known liar?

Someone that claimed they had voted remain but then changed his mind, but has always been a leaver someone that actually posted on the day of the vote that -

“I have Voted Out My Wife Has Voted The same Everyone I know Except one Has Said They Voted out, My Daughter asked at the polling station and they said The turn out was huge !!
I honestly Believe its A North South thing With London Wanting To remain and the rest of the Country Want out”

I really have to question the judgement of a person that would lie (and lie so badly).

 

IB

Have you read the thread because all of this has already covered in one way or another – why not address the outstanding criticism rather than say it’s all pointless to do so that just means you can’t address the outstanding criticisms

Its only pointless if you already know you have no counter arguments

but I love the fact you defend welsh devolution because that was different. It was a referendum as far as I recall

I’m not defending it or attacking it – now can you address the criticisms I presented of you comparison of it to the leave campaign - it wasn’t a leave vote it was a vote to set up a Welsh Assembly so it isn’t comparable to the Brexit vote and it was very clear at the time I can’t remember any lying been involved and there was no corruption as found by the Electoral Commission in the EU leave campaign and there have been no large scale demonstration against the vote since then.

Have you got a counter argument?

LOL well from this gibberish I’m not sure you gave that paragraph any thought whatsoever.

I’ve presented ‘my pitch’ – you don’t seem able to put up a coherent and rational counter argument – thats not my fault - maybe you should do some more (and better) research and you could start by reading the thread.

 

IB

LOL if you had read the thread you would now that remainers have addressed these things several times while you’d also discover that leavers still seem unable to address the criticisms levelled at their views.

 

No it hasnt, hasnt been covered at all. Thread is 85 pages long. Yet to see a proper explanation from you

 

IB

LOL it always makes me laugh that right wingers are the ones that always seem to sing the praises of hard work yet they always seem to be some of the laziest of people.

I have numerous time in this thread – LOL you just have to stop been so lazy and read it.

LOL in other words you can’t defend your stance – I understand mate, I really do – no other leavers has been able to defend it either.

So let’s see the law is been broken and for breaking it there is a fine, why not just not break the law and appoint a commissioner, I mean this is Downing Streets choice to break the law you can’t blame it on the EU.

 

Copy and paste this non existant pitch then, shouldnt be too hard, take you ten seconds

 

VG

LOL well we all know you are lazy VG, you constantly refuse to do any work (research or reading or looking up stuff) so how would you know if ‘it’ (whatever it means) had been covered or not but maybe IB is a better and less lazy person than you.

 

VG

The ‘pitch’ is this thread honestly mate you have been here for months have you never read any of it – LOL hell man just how lazy are you?

 

Well, copy and paste then.

IB and I are waiting

 

VG

LOL and i'm wonder why you haven't read the thread - i mean how is me cut and pasting all 85 pages again going to help if you haven't bother to read them the first time?

 

27 days until the election. Which Im guessing is going to be another anticlimax. A parliament made up as it is now. Another hung parliament