Divided country

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Visexual, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Its debatable whether we even have two parties right now, and I see no evidence that Americans are actually ready for anything like a real democracy.
     
  2. secretofchicago

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    We are the people, we are the ones they work for, idiots let assholes lie on debates and we all believe.
    Everyone running not after elected should provide tax returns, and spouse and other such documentation that they are not bankruptcy all the time, and don't owe so foreign country money because banks stop lending money. Ext.
    We are the people we should decide every action every politician is allowed to due, we due not let any movie or music or anyone famous due a damn thing without the world knowing, but those we are the bosses of can use our tax dollar phone make secret phone call to any foreign country and dirty dealing none approved legal aide. So saying is we are the people and they are hired by us and we work out bosses don't let us sit or play golf or make any undocumented phone calls. No politician should due anything not buy a new house like Illinois politician buy 10 houses in different states on tax dollars band declare toilets don't work so get tax deduction on his tax dollars bought homes. No politician should due anything without our United consent.

    Watched episode of mirror mirror and everyone had a device and everyone voted on everything that the government wanted to do . With all technology it is time to enact we the people and politician are our servants as constitution states not we are the puppets of politicians
     
  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    That would be a disaster and would fundamentally go against the system the Founding Fathers believed in. It would be direct democracy instead of representative democracy--and if you don't know the difference, you've just illustrated my point. Fact is, the people are shockingly uninformed and don't want to be informed on government and public policy matters. In a good year, half at most of eligible voters will turn out for the national election, less than that in mid--term elections. Surveys show that eligible voters are broadly ignorant about issues and the workings of government.
    Poll Shows Voters Are Broadly Ignorant About Issues That Impact Them – Just Facts
    When Ignorance Isn't Bliss: How Political Ignorance Threatens Democracy
    Is voter ignorance killing democracy?
    America's Ignorant Voters | Wilson Quarterly
    The best we can hope for is that voters can pick good people to represent them who can keep up. That doesn't seem to be working well either, but at least it's better than direct democracy.
     
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  4. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    You could have stopped right there....
     
  5. Exactly. Which is why it's so puzzling to see so many establishment hippies picking sides in this ridiculous performance.

    If I was to believe that the two parties really were distinct, I'd have to believe that the republicans were behind Obama's election over Hillary (I still say she was far more qualified). It would explain why they foolishly propped up that fossilized carcass to face Obama the first time. Then they rammed it home with Romney (who went basically missing the week before the 2012 election).

    But it kept the Clintons out of the white house.

    Then, they had to face her again, so they assembled a rather diverse group of candidates and made history with far too many of them (which the democrats have followed to the letter). Among that gaggle, they pretended to stonewall Trump, but he became their plan to drive democrats into electoral oblivion. Why? Because they could easily sacrifice him if anything went wrong. But they had to keep the act up.

    I'm more inclined to think that if all of this happened as I wrote above, it was coordinated by a single entity and that both parties are joined at the hip and quid pro quo each other to cash and prizes. At taxpayer expense.
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Probably the Illuminati.

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  7. Hah!
     
  8. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    How do you know whats better than direct democracy if its never been attempted?
     
  9. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    It's my judgment, and that of our Founding Fathers and lots of modern-day political scientists, on the basis of observations of voting behavior, the governmental process, and the knowledge base of the average person on the street. Nothing is certain, not even that, but on the basis of experience, available evidence, and scholarship we can make reasonable inferences. How do we know we'll really die if we jump off the roof of a tall building unless we try it. I recall debating a guy on these forums who thought that matter was an illusion and only consciousness is real. I suggested he go jump off the top of a tall building. Never heard from him again. Hope he made it, but if he tried it, I doubt that he did. I wouldn't try it myself, nor would I try letting the person on the street decide nuclear weapons policy, international diplomacy, prison reform,fiscal policy, etc.
     
  10. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Utterly absurd! Of all the things you could say about our parties at the moment, calling them "joined tat the hip" or "coordinated" is so far off them mark as to be in an alternative universe.
     
  11. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    So, in other words you, or anyone else, has no idea
     
  12. You mean have no idea, not has.
     
  13. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Does what I said sound to you like I said i have no idea? Is the Australian educational system that bad, or is it just you? Based on what we know about government and ignorance, I know to a high probability direct democracy would be a bad idea. In fact it was used in ancient Athens, and the Founding Fathers thought it led to mob rule, which it did. I have good reason to think that putting a bunch of monkeys in charge of the government would also be a bad idea, without actually trying it out, although some wag may suggest that's what we've already done.
     
  14. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    That's what we've already done...
     
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  15. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Jim Jordan supporters?
     
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  18. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Yes
     
  19. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    I rest my case!
     
  20. Flagme15

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    Please don't disparage baboons.
     
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