Why do so many British dislike their fellow Europeans

Same thing seems to be happening in various places here. I like Trumps idea of dumping all refugees in SoCal, especially since they seem to have a raging hardon for bringing them here in the first place. If they want them, they should live with them.

One does not enter someone else's country and then turn around and do everything possible to turn their country into the same $h!thole you migrated from. Assimilate or go back home. And this is why, we over here want the UN out of our fine Republic, just like many over there want the EU out of theirs.

 

What is SoCal?

I'm not sure I agree with your first sentence but the second is spot on. After all you only migrate to a different country for a better way of life, so why would you seek ways to change that country to fit your previous way of life that you come from?
Notice I say a better way of life. The UK "compared" to some other countries is a very bleak, sad, grey, depressing looking country, with only its history and heritage of interest. Why anyone would want to come live here then they must be extremely poor and depressed of their own way of life. A little bit like Scotland, why TF would anyone want to move to Scotland when its basically the same as England just with higher hills and a colder climate... fair enough if you're an Australian wanting to move away from those bushfires though.

As the saying goes: "you invite the third world, you become the third world."
...all in the name of keeping the rich richer and the poorest poor.
One day most of the rich are going to get hurt, when there's no one left who gives a flying F about them in any way shape or form.

 

SoCal = southern California, especially that part west of the I-5 corridor where its three largest, and most left-leaning cities are.

 

Ah I get you now. Yeah, we're kind of in the same boat, if not exactly the same.
Though Britain is far beyond capacity, and yet leftists just want to keep cramming in more people in as possible, and anyone who opposes their views are ironically called xenophobes, bigots, racists. So, shrug - there is no middle ground / "centralist" here at all.

One could say North America has plenty of room for more people. Well, say that to Russia... they've got far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far more room and resources and yet, no one says a thing to them. And even when Trump says something to them its wrong.

 

This is interesting, though. Over here, the leftist trolls who blame Trump have been in Washington, DC for 25-40 years. Trump has been here for 3 years. Back while Obama was still in office and the democrats still had control of things, leftists went crazy with their bizarre, out-of-control behavior. The displays you may have seen in the aftermath of Trump's election were just one small example. The democrats in Congress have squandered the past three years not doing the jobs they were elected to do, choosing instead to squander the past three years trying to get rid of Trump. I think their behavior is going to backfire in spectacular ways heretofore unseen, but that's just my impression.

I hope things work out better for you over there.

 

Thanks. But they won't... facts of life and all that. The UK is fully developed, overpopulated, imports more food and natural resources than it uses, and its natural resources are almost depleted. Yet its like, according to leftists its just another day in the office lets just import more stuff, making our small island more heavily dependant on a global network, which if climate change has anything to go by will just obliterate Britain back into the stone ages. Oh well, don't say anything though or else you're racist/uneducated etc.

Doom & gloom! don't talk about it, you're racist...

 

You're talking to the kind of guy who thinks that Island counterparts need to be liberated and freed from their mainland oppressors.

Technically Hawaii shouldn't be a part of my country. Nothing against Hawaiians, but they'd be better off free from America, and ruled by Queen Tulsi

 

It seems it depends on the exact criticism that it was regularly ridiculed and set away as racism or xenophobia.

Why indeed. Can you give some examples of how these immigrant workers were consciously working on that? Also, what makes it apparent they have zero respect for the standard UK way of life?

 

Kirste

Where is the proof of that?

Studies show that this is basically a myth so what have you based this on?

Can you explain what you mean by that?

Which EU workers are changing UK culture and in what way?

Again have you the proof?

I mean what is ‘our way of life’ can you explain what you mean by it?

In what way where EU workers changing ‘our way of life’

Can you explain how EU workers have significantly changed ‘our way of life’?

Again can you explain how EU workers have changed ‘our way of life’ and culture?

How is the EU the third world?

 

Kirste

Sorry but your comments seem rather hollow because you are not backing them up in any way – your big thing that you repeat over and over is that the EU is some type of threat to British culture (or at least English culture) but where is the proof of that?

I mean what is English Culture?

 

Kirste

You seem to be attacking right wing neoliberalism or the right wing neoliberalist policies of the last 40 odd years but then supporting the right wing neoliberal that have pushed for Brexit while attacking ‘lefties’ for everything.

Why is that?

 

Kirste

The right wing neoliberal legacy

I mean if you look at many if not most problems in the present UK economy and society they are to blame on right wing neoliberal policy and thinking.

It was right wing neoliberal policy to run down manufacturing in the UK meaning we imported more goods

It was right wing neoliberal policy to promote services - especially financial and the financial services sector got so deregulated that it lead to the near bankrupted the country during the financial crash of 2008

It was right wing neoliberals who used the financial crash as an to bring in unnecessary austerity policies that saw dramatic cuts in public services.

It was right wing neoliberals that ran down training programmes in the UK to save money here and then filled the skills gap that that created by poaching skilled workers from other countries like (doctor’s nurses, engineers, plumbers etc).

Many on the neoliberal right push the climate change denying line because tackling it would involve regulation that many of the abhor as an affront to a ‘free market’

Right wing neoliberals are champions of economic globalisation one of the reasons they dislike the EU is because it is too ‘socialist’ they would like to be more deregulated and create a low tax zero contract society.

 

There does seem to be some people that are confused over migration and its connection to the EU and Brexit

1) There are non-EU migrant’s people from outside the EU and over which the EU has no control, it is totally under the control of the UK government.

Many of these non-Europeans have a connection to our imperial past coming for example form the Indian subcontinent, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and from our one time African and Caribbean possessions.

I have read some analysis that points for Brexit seeing a rise of migration from such places to cover the skills gap due to EU workers not coming the UK.

2) EU citizens coming to live in the UK

The thing with this is that while a member of the EU citizens could work easily in other EU countries, I’ve done it, but just like me when the work was over or circumstance I’d come back to Britain. So while there are people that stay settle down get married and have children in other EU countries that they were not born in many other don’t they return.

3) Obligations in international law to asylum seekers again this has nothing to do with the EU is part of a wider international agreement

The right to seek asylum is set out in the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, it is for people seeking protection from prosecution or fleeing war.

I believe It basically goes back to before WWII and the discovery of what happened to the Jews that could not seek asylum or were refused it – for example the UK allowed in Jewish children in the Kindertranport but not the parents many of whom subsequently got murdered in the Nazis concentration camps.

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In this leaving the EU in a Brexit will probably not affect the number of people in section 3 - will probably reduce the number in section 2 - and possibly increase the number in section 1.

 

All the Germans I have met have been hardworking, diligent, amiable people. So sad a couple of generations ago we were at each others' throats.

 

Thing is that under the Weimar Republic and even under the Nazis many Germans were hardworking, diligent and thought of themselves as amiable people at least to those that they considered ‘one of them’. In that they were not that different to others in Europe, there was a lot more kinship between the Germans and British before and after WWI than say between the British and French. And Germany was not the only place where racism was rife especially towards Jews look at the Dreyfus Affair in France and the rise of Oswald Mosley in Britain.

The problem was that many Germans succumbed to an irrational corrupting ideology. There had been economic problems al crash that had had an adverse impact on a lot of people’s lives so that they looked around for someone/something to blame and there was great divisions between those that agreed and disagreed on that position.

This was inflamed by opportunistic politicians more interested in gaining power than improving the country and the lives of the people in it.

The Nazis movement started small and were ridiculed at the beginning but they got the support of powerful people that saw them as been the lesser threat compared with left wing.

Basically through a combination of fear, animosity, economic hardship and propaganda a large number of Germans came to support irrational ideologically driven policies that had very grave and adverse impact on Germany and the world.

 

Someone once said that history repeats itself, first as tragedy second as farce.

I’d say that even farce can have tragic results.

Many including myself has pointed to many of the similarities between the 1930’s and the 2010’s, many places dealing with the aftershocks of a financial crash, the polarising of societies, and the rise of populism and populist leaders.

It only seems to be in the matter of degrees the earlier crash resulted in the Great Depression, by using a bastard form of Keynesianism the most resent crash was not so deep or as harmful but it still adversely effected economies and people’s lives. The polarization in the 1930 between fascists and socialist often resulted in bloody street fighting, not internet trolling and tweeter spats.

[edit] but as someone has pointed out to me we have had the murder of Jo Cox and the beating up of Owen Jones so early days maybe.

Brexit might not be fascism (although there are neo-Nazis and racist that support it) and Trump isn’t a Hitler but in their own way they are harmful because of the irrationality of their support.

 

I really wasn’t aware there was any kinda dislike at all

 

Most lies i took notice of came from UK leavers including your current PM.

 

I'm afraid so, and its been known how trustworthy and reliable he is ever since he worked for the daily telegraph. It's quite a travesty...

 

As I've already previously stated somewhere on this forum, my opinion is based on a centralist perspective - not left or right wing.