The Donald Trump Score Card

What is this new reality?

CDC says 12,000 to 60,000 deaths per year from Influenza in the US

Even if you get to 60,000 Covid deaths, years down the track it will be viewed as just as deadly as the flu that year

Just a reality check

 

What do my feelings have to do with estimated numbers for all the worlds pandemics?

It is what it is

 

It's your lack of feelings and empathy that you reveal in your posts..

 

Fact-checking Trump's attempt to erase his previous coronavirus response
Analysis by Daniel Dale, Marshall Cohen, Tara Subramaniam and Holmes Lybrand, CNN
Updated 8:08 AM ET, Wed April 1, 2020

Fact-checking Trump's attempt to erase his previous coronavirus response - CNNPolitics

excerpt:

"Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump tried Tuesday to cast himself as the wise leader who rejected the advice of a "group" of people who had portrayed the coronavirus as a mere flu and had argued that life should go on as normal.

He did not mention that he had been the most powerful member of that group.
Trump's marathon coronavirus press conference included the usual barrage of specific false claims. But it was more notable for the dishonesty of the broad story he was telling -- an audacious attempt to erase the memory of his relentless efforts to suggest the coronavirus was not a crisis."

 

Well, driving the world economy off a cliff is going to mean critically underfunded health care systems, aged care, nursing homes the world over for at least the next five years; which is just going to mean more dead boomers than there would have been otherwise, certainly more than the bat virus will cause, way more

Your way; we just make decisions based on our feelings now will mean way more dead boomers in the years to come. And curiously you accuse me of lack of empathy

 

But even Trump is talking 100,000 from COVID-19, if we're lucky--and some of his medical experts at CDC are saying twice that--if we're lucky--and 1.7 million, if we're not.Worst-case coronavirus models show massive US toll
Worst-Case Estimates for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

 

Trump's mindless, idiotic sermons on how the original 15 cases would "magically disappear" - "people can maybe go to work, go on with their lives" - "this is just another flu" - and all the other hundreds of moron-speak instances are on video tape. NO ESCAPE, VG. If it weren't for Dr. Fauci, Dr. Scott Gottlieb and other real experts giving the public sound advice on how to mitigate the spread of covid-19, Trump would have had us at sporting events, picnics, at work, at church (like a few idiot ministers did anyway recently), out shopping and buying things ……. just to make him look good politically. He's only worried about his "numbers" - as he has been quoted as focusing on. Some people in his inner circle leak his comments out because they know how off-balance he really is. Witness how many left his administration voluntarily because they didn't trust him or want to be associated with him and his rash decisions ………. based not on expert advice - but on "his gut."

Trump's penchant for denying the very things he's said and done - on video tape - is evidence enough of his constant lying to the citizens of this country. His own arrogance, narcissistic self-centeredness, and "macho" bravado combined with a mouth that runs with no filter or brakes are his own downfall. Political blindness, in the case of this covid-19 virus, has proven deadly to many already. Early February, the experts were telling the administration that this was going to get bad. But Trump knew better than the experts, and told the American people that they should go on with their lives. Sadly, many more will die because of his arrogant, "I know more about these viruses than anybody" mentality.

Even Trump now has predicted 240,000 deaths are very possible. He can't run away from the truth and what the experts warned him about back in February. His 15 "magically disappearing" cases have multiplied, haven't they??

Hell, even several Republican senators knew he was full of sh*t and sold their stocks right away because they knew it would get worse. If his own party members didn't trust his judgement, what does that tell the rest of us????

Brick-in-the-face evidence on tape is really tough to swallow and try to spin, huh, VG???

 

FACT CHECK: Trump Compares Coronavirus To The Flu, But It Could Be 10 Times Deadlier
Domenico Montanaro
March 24, 2020 3:21 PM ET

FACT CHECK: Trump Compares Coronavirus To The Flu, But It Could Be 10 Times Deadlier

excerpt:

""But we've never closed down the country for the flu," the president said during an appearance on Fox News on Tuesday. "So you say to yourself, 'What is this all about?' "

But the two really can't be compared. They are very different and present different kinds of dangers. Here's how they are different, per a story done four days ago by Pien Huang, a reporter on NPR's Science Desk who covers global health and development:


1. COVID-19 is novel, or new. That means there's no vaccine, and it's unclear how it will manifest;

2. This strain of coronavirus appears to infect two to 2.5 people versus 1.3 with the flu, so coronavirus seems to be about twice as contagious as the flu;

3. Some 20% of coronavirus patients are in serious enough condition to go to the hospital, 10 times the number who wind up in the hospital because of the flu;

4. Hospital stays for the coronavirus are twice as as long as for the flu;

5. About 8% of people get the flu every year. Some estimates are 25% to 50%, possibly up to 80%, could get the coronavirus without drastic actions being taken by individuals, states and municipalities and the federal government;

6. The coronavirus could be 10 times deadlier than the flu — about 0.1% who get flu die. It's estimated that about 1% of those who have gotten coronavirus have died from it;

7. There are treatments for the flu. There are no approved treatments for the coronavirus, despite the president's optimism for certain drugs, which are untested for coronavirus to this point; and

8. The flu tends to wane in warm weather, but it's too soon to count on that for coronavirus, which is thriving in warm, tropical places."

 

Americans have an incredible determination to continue to make apologies for their presidents who blunder by foregoing objective facts and science in favor of incompetence, denialism, gut feelings, patriotism, and appeal to the religious right.

The apologies of the general public for G.W. Bush are an example. His job approval rating was in the upper 80's percent after 9/11 even though his administration was at the helm and should have been able to avoid the attack. It took about seven years and the onset of the Great Recession before the public justifiably turned against him and his approval dropped to as low as 25%.

Trump is worse than Bush in the context that the coronavirus showed ample warnings before afflicting the U.S. It is similar to a hypothetical situation of 9/11 being preceded by various jetliner attacks on skyscrapers around the world and Bush still denying the threat to try to protect the stock market.

 

Trump could have been lucky and gotten away with only a hundred coronavirus deaths in the U.S. The issue isn't if he gets lucky enough to proclaim victory but rather his approach to addressing impending crises.

He has shown consistently that he prefers his gut feelings, ideology, bigotry (Trump Presidential medal awardee and coronavirus denialist Rush Limbaugh), denialism, protection of the stock market, and his warm and fuzzy appeal to the religion right over the cold light of practical reason, objective facts, and science.

 

Trump gambled and lost, like he did on his casino businesses that went bankrupt.

Trump tried to save his face over his casino bankruptcies by claiming that he failed first and lost less than other casino owners.

Similarly, Trump is now on a campaign claiming that he was less of a failure on the coronavirus. He is already saying that the virus would have been much worse if he had done nothing.

For the most part, nothing is a good description of what he did for a couple months. He is desperately appealing to his travel restriction on China. It was an easy political move for him but sorely inadequate to address the impending virus. He has been ten steps behind on everything else.

 

Oooh, thankyou.

Will soooo come back to that post a hundred times right up to November

1. "Its unclear how it will manifest" but you start the post off with "FACT CHECK"

2. Everyone will get it eventually

3. Flu vaccines are only 20% effective for over 65 yr olds

4. You need a full year of data to make that conclusion

5. Everyone will get it eventually

6. Again, you need a full year of data

7. Flu vaccines are only 20% effective for over 65 yr olds

8. Except its not thriving in warm tropical places. A virus spread by air droplets was never not going to be seasonal in sub tropical areas

 

Well. This seems like a horrible decision right now

Obamacare Markets Will Not Reopen, Trump Decides

 

There is a disconnect between what Fauci is telling you, and what you think he is telling you

If you dont believe me, you or anyone else tell me what the primary reason for the lockdowns are

Fauci at the moment is chiefly concerned with the load on the health system, overloading the capacity of ICU beds 10 fold does translate to a whole bunch of unnecessary deaths

But that doesnt mean he really believes a vaccine is only 18 months away, or strong chance vaccine may only be 20 % effective with the elderly, doesnt mean he really believes 3 1/2 months in, there is all but a slim chance now virus may mutate itself out of existance, doesnt mean he doesnt think we will all get infected eventually.

If next season it only takes up 50% of ICU beds, your country can handle it

 

Its quite clear the fact check states the uncertainty as a fact.

 

Lolz

 

VG, Feb. 28,2020. "Meh, im guessing America will contain it properly and quickly, then everyone will be back to wondering, what actually did happen in China. It has little to do with your President. Your HHS does most of the grunt work." A prophet is not without honor except in his own country.

 

How does the coronavirus outbreak end?
Governments’ failure to contain the coronavirus means it may be here to stay.
By Brian Resnick
Updated Mar 7, 2020, 10:02am EST

How does the coronavirus outbreak end?

excerpt:

"The biology of the virus also makes it hard to contain, since it’s possible to spread the virus before showing symptoms of it. “I don’t think we quite know the extent of how often that happens, but it is happening,” Grubaugh says. With SARS in 2003, infected people did not spread the virus without symptoms. They also tended to get sicker, often contracting pneumonia. That made cases easier to detect and isolate.

All of the above is a recipe for an outbreak to become endemic, or a disease that sticks around. Humans haven’t seen this virus before, which means we’re not immune. It’s also a recipe for millions of potential infections in a pandemic — a worldwide outbreak of a new disease.


What might happen: A huge portion of the world could become infected

You might have seen an alarming headline in the Atlantic recently: You’re likely to get the coronavirus.

The assertion was based off an estimate from Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch, who predicted some 40 to 70 percent of all adults around the world would catch the virus within a year. Lipsitch has since revised that estimate downward and with a greater range: He now estimates it’s “plausible” that 20 to 60 percent of adults will catch the disease. (If this comes to pass, while being bad, it’s not apocalyptic: Most cases of Covid-19. are mild. But it does mean millions could die.)"

 

How does the coronavirus outbreak end?

excerpt:

"How this outbreak could truly end: With a vaccine

To end this outbreak, for good, we’ll need antiviral treatments or a vaccine. Those are currently being produced, and at record speeds. Researchers are working on new vaccine technologies — like mRNA vaccines that don’t use viruses at all in their production process — as well as cutting-edge therapeutic antibodies.

That said, it still could be a year or more before the safety and efficacy of these pharmaceuticals are proven. In medicine, effectiveness is not guaranteed.

“We don’t know what’s going to happen with this virus,” says Barney Graham, the deputy director of the Vaccine Research Center at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). “So our job is to try to develop interventions that could be used if it gets worse. ... We need ways of protecting ourselves.”"