Coronavirus Conspiracy?

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It doesn't work though...

 

It's pretty easy actually. The poor guy is slipping (i mean, the government is not looking long term at all or doesn't care about younger citizens because they went with a lockdown? Experts are not experts anymore because they don't know everything about a new virus? Kinda tragic...). It's of course an easy subject to trigger people with.

 

It's a public forum. I don't correct him for his sake lol. If it was a private convo I would have shut him up long ago.

 

I believe the virus arose at Mira Lago as a result of uncontrolled ass kissing.

 

if there were a real ncov conspiracy, i would not be in the least surprised to find donald trump behind it.
it would completely serve his stated interest and objectives.

 

How would destroying the economy that was his most touted accomplishment serve his stated interest and objectives?

 

I'm quite shocked that I haven't read one person mention George Soros being behind it.

 

I didn't even see that post until now

Show me the death certificate then

 

Maybe just n your own mind

But you actually want people to listen, you have to contribute; post articles, trawl through pdfs of scientific papers posting the numbers and relevant information, live footage from YouTube or news sources etc etc

Not just post sulky replies with the words sad or tragic. That does offer any alternative to anyone

I have been here 12 years, you've been here longer. And you have been doing this the entire time

It was the same with the climate change threads, if you were just going to go with "uh, I trust the experts more than I trust VG uh uh uh" it's offering any alternative to anyone

And with your position on this one you have to show everyone that every Covid death was actually a Covid death. No one is going to believe that after they hear stories of nursing home patients in Spain found dead a week later being written up as Covid or the various health departments instructing doctors just to write it up as Covid if assumed

You've started off from an indefensible position in the first place

 

" Death by misadventure" is always a favorite of mine

 

Not necessarily. It depends on the assertion one is 'defending'. People are listening to me just fine i think.

I'm returning those words to you for a large part because you made use of them yourself. So maybe take your own advice there, sad old man (both applies to you and this is what you called a fellow forummer on here).

Everything ok? I don't think your memory is working correctly here...

No, you are projecting a position on me it seems. Just like that trust in the experts thing. Quite pathetic.
And you receive all that criticism because YOU obviously made several claims that are false. And shared opinions as fact (which can happen, but you insisted on maintaining them after it was verified and pointed out that's all they were). I'm sorry, but how are your refutals not adequately adressed as sad when they're like this drivel I'm responding to now.

 

Three Russian doctors fall from hospital windows, raising questions amid coronavirus pandemic - CNN

 

Yeah... They "fell".... Right!

 

I don't know about that. It seems like maintaining the confusion of nations will enable the wealthy class to continue far easier than a set of coordinated rules would.

 

That is why we need global social governance

It seems to me that the political history of the 20th century (in the industrialised nations) has been to one degree or another about the curtailment of the adverse effects of 19th century exploitative capitalism (some call classical liberalism).

People in many nations fought for voting rights, social benefits, safer working conditions, progressive taxation, and decent living wages. The result of that movement was that the economic benefits of production were much more distributed. Many people saw their wages grow and in the period between the end of WWII and 1970 many in Europe and the US gain middle class status.

But from the 70’s onward a new idea was promoted in some of these nations (often referred to as neo-liberalism) it was in many ways opposed to the ‘distributive’ system that had developed. One thing it promoted was economic globalisation, which basically allowed back some aspects of exploitative capitalism by promoting the moving of production to nations that had not developed the more distributive systems away from those nations that had.

In this way the long fought for distributive system has been undermined in those places where it had developed. Neo-liberals argue that to ‘compete’ in the global market the elements of the distributive system need to be dismantled what is needed they say is deregulation, the cutting of welfare, tax cuts that benefit the rich, lower wages, weak government oversight etc etc.

So what we are getting in is the dismantling of the distributive system in the developed countries while in some developing countries the conditions resemble what was happening in the west before people’s struggle to get rid of exploitation


To me what neoliberal inspired right wingers seem to be aiming for is for a few to be able to exploit the many more easily across the globe.

I think we need to fight again for social balance but this time it has to be global. To counter the economic globalisation that has already taken place we need social globalisation to be brought in, and that means social global governance to counter the already in place economic global governance.

 

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And the relevant part is -

People in many nations fought for voting rights, social benefits, safer working conditions, progressive taxation, and decent living wages. The result of that movement was that the economic benefits of production were much more distributed. Many people saw their wages grow and in the period between the end of WWII and 1970 many in Europe and the US gain middle class status.

The governing bodies of those 19th century nations states were controlled by those involved in the exploitation and that is why social rights had to be fought for, some of those governing bodies were overthrown others changed, and the fight is not over, as i'm sorry to say in many places the neoliberals have bamboozled people into dismantling many of those social benifits and the mechanisms of fair economic distribution.

The next part relevant part of my argument is -

I think we need to fight again for social balance but this time it has to be global. To counter the economic globalisation that has already taken place we need social globalisation to be brought in, and that means social global governance to counter the already in place economic global governance.

Try reading the book ‘Age of Consent: A manifesto for a new world order’ by George Monbiot

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Would a global government and a New World Order be a bad thing?

 

He's just small potatoes compared with the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg group and the Elders of Zion.

 

Everyone that supported the coronavirus lockdowns is responsible for what is to come

Out of fear and panic the older generations so readily dobbed in their neighbours calling police hotlines. National sovereignty went out the window all most instantly across the world; state/ provincial even county borders went up.

Individuals stood by and allowed police brutality to happen, even cheered it to alleviate that irrational fear of projections of a spread of a virus that wasn't based on any credible science

Politicians, News Anchors, Media editors all in that 55+ age range helped support and spread that fear

You all have just created a younger generation that now can blame you all for everything. Everyone older was so ready to throw the futures of young people and children under a bus, you all also had no concern for the obvious effect on the developing world the lockdowns would create

You Balbus, are just as guilty as everyone else that supported the lockdowns for what is to come

And this time you get to pay for it directly, Boomers in the end will suffer the most, an even more critically under funded heath care and age care system in the years to come, probably a raid on superannuation. Coupled with a younger generation that will just switch off to the needs and opinions of the aged as they have already made a huge sacrifice in this first half of 2020

There is no hope of global unity, nationalism and xenophobia will spread as it always does in hard economic times. This time it is solely the fault of every individual that supported the lockdown and demanded their government take a wrecking ball to young peoples lives

 

I do think the left wing politicos pushed trump to extreme measures, as did the media. Manipulating people opinions to be Extra critical of him and the measures he was taking, he gave the people screaming the loudest, what they wanted. Lock down. It has, from the beginning, been a politically fueled partisan Tactic.