If You Believe In Heaven/Hell Can You Tell Me Where They Are?

I really don't. I do think that as spirits, we will live eternally unless we choose to "try it again"... but I think when our flesh is gone for the final time, there is an accounting. I believe that if one "goes to hell", they will feel totally and completely alone, and be aware of no other. That would be the 1st "hell thing" - total isolation, and then ... to have total isolation in a dark void, forever alone would be hell for me. Sort of like @Orison was saying.

I definitely believe heaven could be (and is) on another level - be it on a subatomic level or on a different plane.

As @Irminsul said there are not physical bodies. I think the fire and torture part is totally mental. I can recall (though I don't want to and won't dwell there ) hurting so in my heart, from a heart-break, that I physically hurt clear to the middle of my body...but I knew my physical symptoms were psychosomatic.

 

Another reason I don't think Hell exists is because I have never seen it, and I have sailed further than most men have dreamed.

 

I know it exists because I've been there.

I was in Hell

Hell is a geological location in the Cayman Islands

 

There is a Hell in California as well

 

Ugh, you know this only works if you other stooges know your movie quotes.

 

parallel universe. but they're in the same place and its only how we've made ourselves that determines which we experience it as.
that's all of course IF. its also possible that you just don't exist for a very long while, that you don't experience because you're not existing.
and then, in either case, an infant is born, on some random out of the billions of worlds in this universe there might be, to the people of that world,
whatever they look like, however they live, whatever the environment of that world might be. an infant that again, just happens to be you.
and you experiencing every moment of that life as you did this. and the one after that and the one after that. all of which different enough from this one,
that remembering this life, if you could, would do you little or no good. just like every life you've lived before being born into this one.

karma and dharma still follow you though. as ever is the case, not even a god can escape them.

and there may be god-like beings and there may not and in either event there may be none qualified to judge another.

there can be anything, but there is no requirement for a final judge or judgement. or even a final anything.

the experience of existing continues or happens again and again or does not. the unknown is unknown.
and whatever our dreams or wishes, the unknown remains unknown, and with it, a limitless diversity of possibilities.

 

I think heaven is hard to define, but largely because of human intelligence. For so much of our written history dissenting views were able to exist side by side, but before writing the story's success went to whomever told it the best. So any theories about heaven are apt to be full of holes.

Hell on the other hand is clearly a creation of ministers as a means of maintaining control over ignorant peasants and kings alike. Note how convenient the only path is to avoiding hell, through the church. Think about how much power that has controlled for centuries.

If the general tales of heaven, earth, hell and visions of the future are true, then it's more likely that we're already in hell and that all of the "righteous" have already been taken to "heaven" and the rest of us have been marooned here. Consider the interpretations of the Revelation, it's sold as a vision of the future when it's more likely a chronicle of the past and a man's hatred of Nero, nothing more. Just because it's old doesn't make it factual or prophetic.

And old Mustang is still worth more than an old Maverick, even though the Maverick is far more rare in restoration circles.

 

Hmmm...

 

Sometimes, when I think about it, I find myself wondering if Heaven and Hell are other planets in other solar systems.

The Hell planets could be closer to other suns.

The Heaven planets wouldn't be over-crowded and they'd be filled with like-minded people who wanted to be together; they'd be lush, ful,l and abundant in their natural aspects.

Your spirit would be transported to one of them like when they use the transporter in Star Trek and you could materialize in whatever form you wanted to...

It sounds about as good as anything else I hear.

 

The other planets have atmospheres or lack thereof which would prohibit materializing into any form.

 

Not planets in our solar system....Other solar systems we know nothing about.

 

Oh, I misread

 

an tir. i mean tir nan og. the keltic (celtic but keltic is how its actually pronounced. or was) west across the ocean from ireland. a kind of north atlantic atlantis i guess.
except, well any place you havent' been that far is magic sort of. maybe iceland, greenland or maybe some magical islands that can only be found by true believers and not on any map.

you can get this kind of sense of magic from legends and stories,
of which its kind of a buzz kill to actually live there,
which is true for people who live anywhere someone else tells magic stories about.

but now if we lived in a universe where instead of planets, there were mountains and forests that went on for ever.

i think we can have all the magics, if we don't try to associate them with any actual physical place.

before we invented airplanes, and there weren't so many of us. if you just hike over a couple of more hills, further on then you've ever been, you can find griffins and dragons and unicorns.

 

Heaven and hell exist in the darkest corners of the twilight zone.

 

i think the whole idea really, is that they don't have to be places. but rather that karma exists, and you don't get out of it, by dying or even being born.
that our spirits are what we make ourselves, and those determine what and how we perceive.

so really we are all the time making our own heavens and hells. wherever we are, whatever kind of existence, physical or otherwise.
in physical life we do this as a consensus that we don't entirely control as any one indevidual.

in whatever sort of non-physical existence might exist between physical lives, its likely none of us really know, as long as we are in the physical phase of existence.
we also don't really know about this forever business either. that's one of those things that's just ego again, not wanting to admit we don't know what we don't know.