Kerry essentially endorses the Bush policy on Iraq

I only did that on these forums, yeah, a huge number of people's opinions were changed by what I typed I'm sure.... Going door to door was just about Kerry, no 3rd party was brought up.
You did what you thought was right, and I did what I thought was right, now leave me alone. At least I was honest, I wanted Kerry to win and I didn't hide it unlike you. You wanted him to win, you voted for him, but in order to preserve your precious "progressive" image, you never let on.

I went to that website and I could not participate! Since I was registered in a battleground state, my Kerry vote was strategic! Too bad I didn't live in a blue or red state, then I could be as sickeningly smug as you as I would have been able to vote for Cobb w/o guilt.

I never liked Kerry the way I liked Dean or Kucinich, but once he was "chosen" he was the only choice to get Bush out.
I'm trying to come across as a progressive? WTF? Are progressives against abortion? Are they against taxes/welfare/social security? YOU DON'T KNOW ME. Obviously.

There, we do have something in common. Except I wasn't proud, you arrogant prick.

 

To me, it is important to spell at least somewhat well, people don't take you seriously if you spell Nader as "Nadar", especially when you are backing him. It wasn't an insult anyways, I just find it hard to believe you are such a big 3rd party supporter if you are so ignorant about them.

I did make other comments, but you overlooked those in your offense to my spelling comment.

You know, I always said, vote for who you want! The thing I disagreed with people about was that Kerry was exactly like Bush. Even the people who spewed that myth admitted that it wasn't true, they just didn't give a fuck about the issues in which they would have been different.

Nader supporters are few. It's true. We live in America, not Europe. I think people really liked Dean though.

 

How about Dean being the head of the Democratic National Committee? (I think that's his title) It's that a strange turn of events?

 

Not strange, but the best way for the party to "reign him in", and prevent another "outburst" like the 2004 campaign. Give him a position of some power, and he will have to "toe the line".

Think of Jerry Brown's pitiful record once he became mayor of Oakland....

 

the 2 party system has to come down.

 

That's my whole point! I was in a "battleground state", as well. If you REALLY gave a shit about supporting third parties, you could have arranged to have a third party vote cast FOR YOU in another state, while casting a Kerry vote for somebody else in your own state. All you had to do would have been to state that your first choice was a third party candidate, which is what you have been claiming all along.

 

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"Well, usually people start talking about typos when they dn't have much to say. I mean really, it's pathetic to focus on typos. I apologize for not having as much free time as you, to make sure every word is spelled perfectly. You obviously knew what I was getting at. Give me a break. I also don't care who the green party candidate was, because from the beginning I just liked Nadar. I probably would get mad, except the stuff you tried to insult wasn't important LMAO."
To me, it is important to spell at least somewhat well, people don't take you seriously if you spell Nader as "Nadar", especially when you are backing him. It wasn't an insult anyways, I just find it hard to believe you are such a big 3rd party supporter if you are so ignorant about them."

I actually got to the state level spelling bee the three years I was in middle school...because I spelled one guys name wrong I'm ignorant about him? LMAO. Actually, what else did I spell wrong besides his name? Something like maybe...a typo? *gasp* Gee that happens when you don't have a hour to work on one post if you want. I guess I have it stuck in my head that it's spelled Nadar. I just find all this a little nit picky. I know NadEr's views.. and just because I usually vote third party doesn't mean I know anything about the Green party's candidate. I don't care for the Green party any more than most of the others...what don't you understand about that?

"I did make other comments, but you overlooked those in your offense to my spelling comment."

Maybe that's why it's counter productive. Why would I respond to be picked apart that much? This crap isn't that important anyway, bush is here for four more years. You're kidding yourself if you think Kerry would have actually DONE anything any better. Look maybe you don't know this, but you DO come across as insulting. You use insulting words. That's why people react angrily sometimes. You could try being more tactful and not worrying about stupid things like typos or even words spelled wrong on a forum. I mean I reacted somewhat angrily to you the first time at a post directed towards someone else that sounded insulting. You can't act all buddy buddy and say 'oh we mostly agree it's just that I'm better and smarter than ya'll'

 

That requires trust, and I was too worried about the outcome to trust that someone would cast the vote I wanted. It was a good idea, and I said as much, but the real solution would be instant run-off voting.


Sorry, I don't see this as a competition as to who the most "progressive" person is, I don't care. You win!!! YAAYYYYY!!!!!

 

Nader was the Green Party candidate the last election, how could you not be interested in the Green Party candidate this election?

I'm acting all buddy buddy? lol. I'm here to discuss politics etc., not make friends. I never said I was smarter than anyone here. I was told I was the source of societies' problems, so my post to the person who said that was in response to that. I never point out other's spelling errors, this was the only time, and I still think it is relevant. Believe me, there are millions of posts with spelling errors, I overlook them. I don't have "hours" here either, but I manage to post readable posts.
I don't care to talk about Kerry either, read my first post in this thread.

 

So which is it? You went to the site and "weren't eligible", or you just don't trust other people?

Seriously, if your distrust of other human beings (especially those folks interested in creative solutions to the existing corrupt system) runs so high that you are scared to participate in something like this, I really don't know what to say. Nader's phrase "Vote your Hopes, Not your Fears" seems to come to mind, though. If you are so paranoid about other activists screwing you over, how will you EVER be able to work with broader masses in a more substantive campaign?

And yes, IRV would solve a great deal of the problems here. Of course, Kerry rejected it and the THIRD PARTIES (that you were too scared to vote for) were pushing for it.....

 

Both. At the time that I found out about that project, my mind was made up to vote for Kerry because the race was extremely close in the state I was registered in (Kerry came out on top, but barely). I don't know for sure which 3rd party I would have went with, three of them sounded good to me. Anyways, there were a lot of questionable emails and websites set up during the election, there were many I didn't trust, also I don't like to give out much info about myself online.

It wasn't serious distrust or paranoia, I just felt comfortable with my vote. Now, if I was in a solidly red or blue state, I wouldn't have even needed a website to convince me to cast a third party vote, I would have been very comfortable doing so.

Yeah, well that would be nice. However, I don't think I need to tell you how frightening this administration is. It is positively the worst ever. I care mostly about the environment. The war, civil liberties, the economy...all those take a back seat. I truly feel that having Kerry in office would have been significantly better for the environment. I feel safe coming to this conclusion because I'm pretty well informed about it. If Kerry didn't have such a fine environmental record and Bush didn't have such a horrid one, I may have felt differently. If even one endangered species was saved by getting Bush out, that would have been worth it.

Yes, I know. I admire the 3rd party efforts on that and am disgusted by the dems opposition of it. But it's not surprising.

What is it you want from me? You want me to say I'm sorry for backing Kerry, that I was wrong about him, that I should have voted 3rd party? Don't you think I've mulled over this many agonizing times? I don't know for sure if I did the right thing, but I think I did and I thought I did at the time. Who knows? All I do know is that it doesn't matter now. I'm just going to keep doing what I've always been doing.

I really am tired of talking about Kerry. My main point in this thread was that it doesn't really matter who you voted for. Voting for Nader doesn't make you a good person, voting for Bush doesn't make you a bad person. I'm tired of people trying to make me feel bad for voting for Kerry. I had my reasons and I think they were sound. Judge people by how they live, not by how they vote, because that is what is significant.

 

On that note, it would be great to "get over it" as some Republicans say, and many democrats, but not for the reasons they'd say.
We need to come together now and figure out how we're going to save ourselves over the course of the next 4 years.

The battles have already begun. 2 prominent names come to mind, activist lawyer Lynne Stewart who is being railroaded on highly ambiguous charges, and professor/author/american indian activist Ward Churchill who is being threatened because of a statement he made that he "probably should have worded better".

www.lynnestewart.org

www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html (Ward Churchill)

The point is, the U.S. government elite is coming after the radical left...the progressive movements of this country.

There are important battles to be fought people, and uh...not with eachother. So Ellis, and Green Thumb, you are BOTH great human beings, and BOTH great Americans, and both voted your conscious. The voting is over...in fact, it never mattered anyway since the Bush junta merely "reaffirmed" their position of power in this country. I don't believe that Kerry ever had a chance of sitting in the whitehouse, no matter how many people think they voted for him. I also suspect that Kerry never intended on becoming the commander, but that's an altogether seperate topic. Now let's not mourn...ORGANIZE.

 

I didn't bother reading any responses to me...I'm sorry but argueing has just lost it's kick. I mean after awhile you start to notice that whether you win or lose an arguement on some insignificant forum with some jane or john doe, things don't change.

So I just wanted to clarify something that might not have been understood. I'm not an enthusiastic third party voter so much as I'm enthusiasticlly disgusted by the candidates that the two major parties vomit out. In this past election I also blame the democratic voters *who voted for kerry* (not just all democrats) in the primaries. There were plenty of more qualified democratic candidates

 

well Kerry, like Bush, was/is a member of Skull and Bones. Like I said, i don't think Kerry ever had the intention of becoming the president. It was a show-candidacy.

 

kerry lost becouse hes an idiot anti gun extreme left wing liberal = reminds me of clinton, janet reno the butcher and waco texas .

 

uh..yeah, what SpliffVortex said.