intolerant christians

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by tiki_god7, Feb 12, 2005.

  1. tiki_god7

    tiki_god7 Member

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    I was sitting around thinking about all the strictly by the book, love jesus or burn in hell christians and it seems to me that these types of christians are to spirituality/religion as bush is to democracy... 'its either my way or the highway' with both of them any thoughts?
     
  2. squawkers7

    squawkers7 radical rebel

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    Why is it that our children can't read a Bible in school, but they can in prison?
    I know this doesn't actually answer your question but still find it an interesting comment.
     
  3. Alsharad

    Alsharad Member

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    Christians believe that Christ is God. While on earth, Christ said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me." So, if the Christian viewpoint seems too close minded to you, you'll have to take it up with Christ Himself. It is important to note that Christ did preach that Hell awaited non-believers, but He did so as a parent pleading desparately for a child to get off the tracks while a train was coming. It wasn't "repent or else!" It was "please repent, for I love you too much to see you do this to yourself!"
     
  4. Archemetis

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    kids can read bibles in school, schools just cannot make it a requirement...thank god. but if a kid wants to read a bible in school, on his lunch break or somthing, there is nothing stopping him.
     
  5. Archemetis

    Archemetis Senior Member

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    non-christians simply dont believe in christ though...so why would we want to take it up with him? its like telling someone to go ask a question to the tooth fairy, from our point of view.
     
  6. drbeaker

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    The circular logic of Christianity is amazing. How many times do we have to go through this before you guys will understand....JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE THAT SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING DON'T MEAN THEY REALLY SAID IT, AND JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID SAY SOMETHING THAT DON'T MAKE IT SO.


    I challenge you to find a passage where Jesus himself spoke of a place called hell, not some asshole like Paul putting words into his mouth posthumously. Jesus was a Jew, like myself, and as such DID NOT BELIEVE IN HELL. I believe Jesus was a very wise teacher and rabbi who attained his wisdom from the intensive study of Jewish religious texts, as well as those of the east, and through deep introspective meditation. In the end, though, I believe his Ego, won him over, that is ego latin for "I", "I am the way, the light, etc." I believe in the 1st commandment "you shall have no other gods before me", and I believe that God is in absolutely no way a man (or woman for that matter) and that any man who says he's God is a nutcase, no matter how learned or wise he may otherwise be.

    By the way, since the concept of hell DOES NOT EXIST in the Jewish old testament, does that mean that until the birth of Jesus there was no hell???? Or did everybody go to hell before the birth of Jesus because there was no way out of it??? I'm sorry, I just find the entire new testament extremely contradictory and confusing.
     
  7. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    I think Alsharad sumed that up pretty nicely
     
  8. Alsharad

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    By that I meant that you must adress the character of the historical Christ. I believe the question was why Christians have the "my way/highway" bent. The answer is that our God said that was the way it is. Now, if one takes an issue with that, one has to address the character of the person who initiated the doctrine. In this case, one must directly adress the character of Christ (who was possibly the most loving, wise man in history). That's all I was saying.

    Talk about circular. How can I quote anything that He said since you will just say that someone was putting words in His mouth? The New Testament is repleat with Christ teaching about Hell.

    Now, it doesn't follow that because He was a Jew that He therefore could NOT believe in a Hell. But that issue is an aside. He DID speak of Hell. He also claimed to be God. As such, if He is insane or a liar, then all His other teachings are worthless. If His claims are true, then they are all (including teachings about Hell) authoritative.

    So you think Christ was insane? What in His behavior and character leads you to believe this? Is it consistent with others we know of who have claimed to be the incarnation of the trancendent God of the Hebrews? Is His behavior consistent with people diagnosed with dellusions of grandeur and divinity complexes?

    Since the concept of subatomic particles and DNA did not exist until recently does that mean that they did not exist until they were "discovered"? Of course not.

    From what we have presented to us in scripture, the dead gathered in the realm Sheol, where they awaited (possibly still await) judgement. There was/is a great chasm that separated those who died under God's protection (Abraham, Moses, the prophets, etc.) and those who died outside of God's protection (like Jezebel, possibly Caine, people of Sodom, etc.). All of scripture can be confusing, but remember that all we need to do, as both Christians and Jews, is to understand that God has a plan and that, with proper study, we can see glimpses into the nature of God.

    Personally, I believe that Jesus was/is the Messiah promised to the world through Abraham. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Judaism and for Jews. They have a rich culture and history and it is through them that God has revealed Himself. If I want to learn more about the God I worship, I am compelled to study Isreal and its history.

    That was more than I wanted to say on the subject, but I wanted you to know that I have the utmost respect for members of the Jewish faith and I didn't want to offend you with my posts (though I still choose to disagree with you).
     
  9. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    christians are the True spawn of Evil... this will be seen in the future. Satan's children will rise and gain power again... spreading the word of indulgence instead of abstinence. Hail Satan!
     
  10. Dizzy Man

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    Christians are, by their very nature, tolerant of others. If they weren't they wouldn't be true Christians.

    But also, by its very nature, Christianity is about Christ. We believe that Christ came to give eternal life to humankind.

    Our belief in this should not be confused with intolerance — it's simply our belief. If that belief makes you feel uncomfortable then you are the intolerant one, not us.

    If someone has preached to you about Christianity and it made you feel uncomfortable then you need only to ask them to shut up and they will do. Although probably the only place you hear preaching these days is in church, so if you're stupid enough to walk in there in the first place then what do you expect!?
     
  11. BlackBillBlake

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    What is it that Satan's children will indulge in that folks now abstain from?
    Just wondering....
     
  12. dutch_diciple

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    whatever they want?
    egocentrism?
     
  13. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    i don't think there's much more left, well, anything that i find tempting anyway.
     
  14. Alsharad

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    Hi, I'm Alsharad...
     
  15. jamaica

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    i like how christians are always seen as intolerant. would someone please name a religion where there is NO intolerance to other faiths etc by certain followers? whats that saying? something about those in glasses houses shouldn't throw stones? every single one of you naysayers is demonstrating infuckingtolerance.
     
  16. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    I agree.. some people here have a tendency to be very critical and judgemental in their perception of individuals of faith. However, they fail to see that they are demonstrating the same kind of intolerance they accuse others of. It is very hypocritical.
     
  17. amberfilter

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    one word... Amway.
     
  18. Sera Michele

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    The OP was talking about how christianty is generally intolerant to other faiths. Basically if you aren't a member of the christian faith you are doomed to eternal suffering. There are other faiths like this of course, but there are plenty of religions and beliefs across the globe that don't damn the people who don't follow their faith.

    Christianity, as a whole, is not tolerant of other faiths. They are barely tolerant of the other denominations within it's own faith.
     
  19. Syntax

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    Buddhism and Judaism are two examples I am very familiar with, but I'm sure there are many more. I know many Buddhists and they all say that while their religion is correct, those of other religions will not burn in hell. They also don't see a reason to convert others to their religion (at least, real Buddhists don't do that). As for Jews, only the ignorant would say that their religion does not tolerate other religions. As long as the other religion believes in a single God and follows the basic laws (I think that "thou shalt not kill" is a fair request), Jews see it as a "correct" religion. If it doesn't follow those laws, Jews still don't seek to convert those people into their own religion, but just say that once the age of peace comes, they will see true light and find the real God.

    I am sure that nearly all other religions are like that, in fact.
     
  20. jamaica

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    sera michelle, so why aren't these other faiths being 'attacked'? these other religions also have intolerance of the denominations within their own faith. why aren't there posts about those religions? why aren't there jokes and slams about them?
     
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