Copy right MERGED (includes 'My work was stolen...')

Discussion in 'Writers Forum' started by DarkLunacy, May 21, 2004.

  1. DarkLunacy

    DarkLunacy Senior Member

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    Ok stupid question but I'd like to make sure of it. I should of course copywrite a manuscript before sending it off right? And where is that done?
     
  2. veinglory

    veinglory Member

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    Work is copyrighted upon creation and the copyright resides with the writer until/unless it is given in writing to another person. What you should hold onto is proof that the work is yours, such as draft copies and rough notes or outlines. If you have money to burn you can register the work with the copyright office as ironclad proof of your authorship.
     
  3. DarkLunacy

    DarkLunacy Senior Member

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    Cool thanks! Would notarized copys of the work with post dates be good too?
     
  4. riptiderevolucion

    riptiderevolucion Member

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    I wouldn't bother spending the money to have it notarized. I'd either register it with the U.S. Copyright Office (http://www.copyright.gov) or just not worry about it. Like veinglory said, a work is automatically copyrighted as soon as you create it. Registering your copyright provides added protection. If you are submitting something for publication, don't bother registering the copyright. If it's published most publishers take care of that stuff for you. (I used to work as an editorial assistant and handled all the copyright forms and permission requests and whatnot.) I wouldn't worry about a publisher stealing your work, either. Not that it couldn't happen, but it's highly unlikely. I know from my experience that if I got a manuscript that was already registered with the copyright office I'd think the author was paranoid, pretentious, and uninformed.
     
  5. HappyHaHaGirl

    HappyHaHaGirl *HipForums Princess*

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    You can always date it, seal it in an envelope, then mail it to yourself and put it away... then the postmark on the envelope is proof of a date or whatever. That's what my mom did when she used to write, so she could just deal with it later. :)
     
  6. kozmicblues

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    I'm not sure if it was just a typo in the title, but it's copyrighting, not copywritting. that would be pronounced "copyritting" with a short 'i' sound. I know it's probably annoying to be told tiny stuff like that, but if you're planning on mailing manuscripts out, you should be aware of how to spell copyright, it will save you some heartache.

    Also, depending on where exactly you're sending it, you might want to take some extra precaution with the license. Obviously if everyone plays by the rules, your work is yours period. However, there are people out there with more power, resources, greed, whatever that are extremely unethical and will take your work. Mailing it to yourself is a good idea. if you know a notary public, that can be cheaper, depending on the weight on the manuscript.
    Hope this helps.
    peace
    ac
     
  7. veinglory

    veinglory Member

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    Mailing it to yourself (the so-called 'poor man's copyright' has been tested in court and failed. So that avenue is no longer open. I just send stuff out. I have sold a dozen stories/articles and a book and had nothing go astrya yet. To be perfectly honest most editors are rolling in good material and have no need to steal it -- and the second they did they repuation would be ruined so it isn't worth it. Solong as you stick to reputatble markets the odds of anything going wrong are very low. As a back-up what does stand up as evidence is notes and drafts in old-fashioned pen in ink -- so if you write down any outlines, character sheet etc, hang onto them.
     
  8. Rod

    Rod Member

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    One owns a copyright as of the time of writing.
    You, however, cannot produce copy worth anything, literarily or financially. You have no command of English. You are not literate.
    You can't spell, Dark Lunacy; ergo, you can't write...don't be fooled by your ego and pretensions to being a writer.
    Go back to elementary school and start all over again and this time, learn phonics, spelling, punctuation, etc.
    You have watched too much TV. Read books.
    Rod
     
  9. veinglory

    veinglory Member

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    I would always take a few grammatical errors or a mean-spirited rant (with incorrect punctuation).
     
  10. Rod

    Rod Member

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    If I sound mean, I am so sorry. It is a thorn in my flesh that the art of literature has, alas & alas, gone the way of the dinosaur. It's sad that there are so few who dare, even yet, to dream of some finer, better place and to paint that ever-so-grand a place with words that burn with our yearning.
    It seems "mean," to me to nurture false hope in those who aspire to gain the olive wreath of a marathon winner without doing the running, sweating and sweating, mile after mile, that must be done to achieve their dream.
    It has been noted in this forum that it's commonly thought that the work of a writer is easy; that anyone can do it...It is not a bit easy and the hard work of creating literary art has suffered from those who do it as easily as anyone,in point of fact, can.
    They do not do it any credit. Nor are they any credit to themselves if they do not work their asses off, beginnin' with the basics.
    I wish everyone well and I wish them all the peace there is. If I err and, by erring, I hurt someone, it is no credit to me and I will try to do and be a better man for it.
    It is essential to me to learn from my mistakes and gawd knows, I make plenty of 'em!
    Thanks for being out here in this cyber forum, everybody. There's a place, even in this shitty world, for dreamers. Dare to draem and to reach out & do that which you dare dream. That's the best the world can ask!
    Peace to you all. Bliss out!
    Rod
     
  11. Maña

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    So is placing the copy right symbol along with initials and year in effect a copy right?
    Thanks
    Maña
     
  12. winter skye dream

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    how can u b sure nobody will take your material....if its worth taking....
     
  13. drumminmama

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  14. veinglory

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    Writing the copyright symbol on is seen by editors as a sign of an amateur--an amateur implying they might be thieves. Whether the symbols is shown of not the writers possesses copyright upon creation and can only transfer it to another person by a signed statement.

    In America only registration of copyright can be used to defend the writer in court--*however* most writers do not register copyright as the likelihood of theft is negligible.

    In most other countries any reasonable proof may be used, e.g. notes, publications, earlier versions of the work.
     
  15. Sage-Phoenix

    Sage-Phoenix Imagine

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    So true
    (I was told that by lectuer, who is a professional writer)

    Big publishers are generally really trustworthy about copyright. They wouldn't want to pull anything and get their asses sued.
     
  16. veinglory

    veinglory Member

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    If you post onlien people may blog or post without attributing. if it bugs me I tell on them to their forum or web host (i am *such* a snitch)
     
  17. White Scorpion

    White Scorpion 4umotographer

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    I didn't realize that placing the copyright symbol on a document pisses off most publishers. I'll do it more often now. Thanks for that.
     
  18. Kali _in_Oz

    Kali _in_Oz World Champion Loser

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    the easiest (and cheapest) way to ensure copyright, or at least give you evidence shoulg you have something stolen, is to print out a copy of your work, and post it to yourself - once you receive the envelope - NEVER open it!!

    Because the letter is date stamped by the postal service, you have evidence that the peice of writing in question was in your possession as at that date, and anything published without your permission thereafter is in breach of copyright!
     
  19. veinglory

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    This poor man's copyright may not be used as evidence in court (the only thing registered copyright is good for). It's validity is a widely reported myth.
     
  20. lovelyxmalia

    lovelyxmalia Banana Hammock Lifetime Supporter

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    I put up a piece I wrote a few years back on a writers site I belong too...and I just googled it and someone stole it.

    The only thing I didn't copyright gets stolen. I have spent hundreds of dollars copyrighting my work and that is the only piece I didn't.

    I'm kicking myself in the ass and I've never been so upset before in all of my life.
     
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