Be prepared to vomit..."Depleted Uranium" Bombs in Iraq & Kosov

Discussion in 'Globalization' started by AannaSolo, Feb 19, 2005.

  1. AannaSolo

    AannaSolo Member

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    Thought the nuclear threat was over?

    Don't you believe it!!!

    (and it doesn't come from North Korea...)


    Did you know that most of the bombs used in the first Gulf War, in Kosov, Yugoslavia and in Iraq during this latest war were made from "depleted uranium"; toxic metal that is a problem for the Nuclear Industry in the States to dispose of?

    Bombs made of old uranium (the name is deceptive as the half-life of this stuff is like 4.5 billion years and it's still highly toxic) is used because bombs made from uranium are denser than lead and have the power to rip open tanks, bunkers and buildings as simply as sardine cans. A great success according to the govt.

    Problem is, the radioactivity will never disappear! 4.5 billion years! This is sick!!!

    This info is pretty well supressed in the U.S., but consider this -
    • Over 600% of Iraq's newborns are born horribly deformed or don't make it full term. Mother's are grateful if the child has five fingers and toes.
    • Luekemia and cancer in iraq and Kosovo has risen by over 160%
    • Iraq's children use defeated tank graveyards, with radioactivity as high as 1,000 to 1,900 times the norm (and that's death level) as playgrounds.
    • That mysterious "Gulf War Syndrome" that return soldiers get is in fact radiation sickness (very neatly covered up by the govt.)
    • In England, where the syndrome has been studied properly, 67% of return soldiers also have radiation sickness and their children are being born deformed and getting leukemia.
    Ever wondered why rebels still are fighting in Iraq?

    For further info, do a search on "depleted uranium" Bombs (should be called "deceptive uranium" bombs I rekon) or follow these links
    Hope you can start spreading the word in the states...

    http://www.web-light.nl/VISE/extremedeformities.html
    http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/du_soldiers.htm
    http://www.progessivetrail.org/articles/040128Jasiewicz.shtml

    PS Please don't watch fOX channel:it is nothing but bush propaganda (lower case "b" intended, this being does not deserve a capital)
     
  2. Majka

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    237 italian soldiers got ill from cancer and many other diseases after war on Kosovo.And no one is talkin` about it.And what about the people that are still living in that area.
     
  3. Pointbreak

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    For a start, why don't you try backing up this ridiculous statement. I think you'll soon realise it is based on nothing.

    Bad news for you buddy - you are already contaminated with uranium. We all are. Uranium is a naturally occuring substance, as natural as dirt. That's why this DU hysteria is ultimately a fraud.
     
  4. flmkpr

    flmkpr Senior Member

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    sorry pointbreak the uranium she is talking about is depleated enriched uranium totaly different from naturally occuring do alittle reserch its true
     
  5. AannaSolo

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    Pointbreak, what can I say to person like you? I did back it up. You may be a product of believing whatever the darkside tells you. This is uranium in concentration producing radiation 1,000-1,900 times the normal background radiation you speak of. And did you see or look at the evidence?

    I did warn you that the truth may make you sick.

    "No - you won't fool the children of the revolution"
     
  6. Pointbreak

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    Depleted enriched? That doesn't even make sense. Which is it - depleted or enriched? Anyway, the fact is that depleted uranium is less radioactive than natural uranium. Here you go, a reference that shows it:

    http://www.reason.com/rb/rb032603.shtml

    So why don't you show me some of your "research" that proves otherwise. I'm sure you can't, because you haven't done any research. You want to believe DU is the apocalypse, so you don't question anyone who tells you what you want to hear.
    Actually you didn't. None of your links back up this statement. Makes me wonder if you actually read them or just cut and paste and then insult anyone who dares question your cut and paste wisdom. So go on, BACK IT UP.

    I am also not impressed with pictures released by Saddam Hussein's regime. It may astound you to know that deformed babies are born all over the world all the time. That's life. Maybe if Saddam holds up a baby and says "DU did this" you believe him, but that just makes you easily fooled. Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people. He created the worlds largest oil spill and set hundreds of oil wells on fire. Do you even wonder how he can magically determine which cancers come from the evil americans and which come from the environmental war he waged against his own people?

    Why don't you go here. http://postconflict.unep.ch/du_new.htm

    It contains United Nations scientific studies of the impact of DU. Hundreds of pages long. But wait - you won't read them! Because they don't say what you want to hear. The report concludes that in Kosovo there was
     
  7. flmkpr

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    whats so hard to understand it was enreiched and then depleted
     
  8. flmkpr

    flmkpr Senior Member

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    my apolagies point break depleated u is u238 after removing isotopse u234 and u235 .
     
  9. AannaSolo

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    Pointbreak, now expects me to become a scientist.

    Well, I don't call all the links I gave bogus. Your govt. lies. Not everyone else does. And it's been very well researched by professorial doctors, who have done the research because they have the courage and found the problem first.
    I suppose it's who you believe and what you believe. Government paid scientists or facts collected thru independent sources.

    Personally, after watching polititions the world over for the last twenty years, I'ld have to say the two party or more system is corrupt, because all they do is fight, put on a show and try to rule.
    The info I gave is not wrong. It's also back up in a documentry called "The Doctor. The Depleted Uranium and the Sick Children."

    If it's all too horrifing to consider, fair enough. I understand.
    But I can not and will not defend bastards who put profits before lives, even those of there own soldiers.
    So there...
     
  10. Pointbreak

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    I don't expect you to be a scientist. All I am asking is for you to back up your claim that "Over 60% of Iraq's newborns are born horribly deformed or don't make it full term. Mother's are grateful if the child has five fingers and toes." There is no mention in any of your links of this. Therefore it has not been backed up and you are being evasive. Saying that "The info I gave is not wrong" doesn't prove anything. In fact most of your last post was simply you complimenting yourself without providing anything of substance. Go on, BACK IT UP.
     
  11. AannaSolo

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    Over 60% of Iraq's newborns are born horribly deformed or don't make it full term. Mother's are grateful if the child has five fingers and toes


    Ok, pardon me for having a creative mind of my own, these words are mine, paraphrasing from the program "The Doctor, the Depleted Uranium and the Very Sick Children", but the gist is the same.
    And I did get it wrong - it is in fact 600%

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    The incidence of birth defects are skyrocketing after having laid dormant for several years. Congenital malformations in Basrah's civilian population soared 600% in 2000 from just-above-baseline levels in 1997. Very frightening similar incidence rate patterns have been observed in U.K. and U.S. troops. We have no idea how much damage has already been done, and we have no idea when it will end.End Quote...

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/1/05542/6088


    http://www.web-light.nl/VISE/extremedeformities.html
    http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/du_soldiers.htm
    http://www.progessivetrail.org/articles/040128Jasiewicz.shtml
     
  12. AannaSolo

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    QUOTESaying that "The info I gave is not wrong" doesn't prove anything. In fact most of your last post was simply you complimenting yourself without providing anything of substance. Go on, BACK IT UP.[/QUOTE]
    Speak for yourself...
     
  13. flmkpr

    flmkpr Senior Member

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    well i have been world health organizaition sites all they say realy is more studies need to be done hhhmmmm? i have been to un sites with simaler noninfo. althou i did find some intresting statements that might be of intrest. "if du enters the body, it has the potential to generate significant medical conseqences. the risks associated with du in the body are chemical and radiological" ' personnel inside or near vehicals struck by du penetrators could recieve significant internal exposurs" from the army enviromental policy institute june 1995.. "short term effects of high doses could result in death, while long term effects of low doses have been implicated in cancer". arosole du exposers to soldiers on battlefeild could be significant whith potential radiological effects". from(saic) report included as app. d of ammcoms,kinnetic energy penetrator long term strategy study dansi,july 1990. "inhaled insoluble oxides stay in lungs longer and pose a potential cancer risk due to raidiation. ingested du dust can also pose both a radioactive and toxcicity risk" op. desert storm:army not adequatly prepard to deal with depleted urainium contamination. u.s. genral accounting office(gao/nsiad-93-90)jan. 1993pp.17-18 a little different to what they are saying now i beleive and still no studies by either the un. us. who. that i have been able to find why these wepons have been being used at least in tests for well over 15yrs inquires into the possibilities that thay are the cause pf gulf war syndrome seem to me to have been stifled. why is it that there is so little info available from what ever studies are being done by the entities that use these wepons?i have been unable to find any info on rems being emitted by vets tanks or any thing or persons why
     
  14. AannaSolo

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    Because, I am sad to say, governments don't want you to know about anything much.
    They will offer huge money grants to scientists to give distorted and mis-informtion that makes them (the govt.) look really clean.
    The brave german doctor who followed through with all these studies has been denounced many times even though he is a Professor in medicine. But there is evidence on video that is undenyable.
    It's just that your respective govts. won't say anything because, hey they don't want to look bad.
    There is supressed information unfortunatley because the govt. knows that it is easier to control a population if you feed them light entertaining stuff and news that won't make them think too much. fOX network is Right Wing propaganda, pure and simple.

    As a politition in Australia once said "most voters are mushrooms and we prefer them that way" - he didn't last much longer.

    Sad, but true - that's the real world, not the one we want...
     
  15. flmkpr

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    thank you Aannasolo for continuing to keep this issue alive i will be looking for any new but it seems it will be represed for yrs to come . war is hell and all that perpetuate it are not in control of there actions all we can do is try and teach a more peacful and compassionat way
     
  16. flmkpr

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    my questin to you mr. point break is are you such a pompus ars that you cant accsept an apolagie. you say saddam gased his own pepole i think he gased his enemies. with the help of both our countrys . if you want to put the attention on "our puppets" to hide our atrocities i believe your in for a hard time my question s to you are who are YOUR pepole , WHO armd saddam,WHY was saddam given the technolegy , who is it going to be given to next and why you can argue all you want it will still comedown to the fact that cacaision anglosaxons have been the most ruthless pepole on the face of the planet i will end this with the question why?
     
  17. Pointbreak

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    flmkpr I accepted your apology. my comments have been directed at annasolo.

    And annasolo continues to get it wrong. 60% vs. 600%? One refers to % of children born with deformities. The other refers to the % increase in children born with deformities. If the incidence rises from 0.02% to 0.1%, that is approximately a 600% increase, but it is nowhere near 60% born with deformities. Therefore you are quoting two completely different statistics.

    But you are more wrong that that. Your quoted the article as saying
    Well Gulf War I was in 1991, whereas Gulf War II was in 2003. So blaming DU for an increase between 1997 and 2000 makes no sense.

    I am getting really bored with references to "the government" (as if Iraq didn't have one, so information coming out of Saddam era Iraq can be trusted) and "the media". I am not providing links to Fox News. I am reading YOUR sources and asking perfectly reasonable questions, and you continually fail to back them up.
     
  18. Hangedman

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    Governments lie...no suprise, it's the nature of politics and politicians. Depleated enriched uranium kills, deforms, incapacitates. It doesn't really matter what the exact total is or at what %. The end result is bad.
     
  19. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    The IAEA and the WHO agree that the risk associated with contact with DU is minimal.

    http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Features/DU/du_qaa.shtml#q12
    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/

    These are the two most legitamate committees on nuclear saftey in the world.

    To dismiss these studies as propaganda doesn't really help out your argument given the credibility of these organizations. Mush more so then thepowerhour

    I noticed those links don't refrence much and instead call in to doubt the credibility of the fuckin' World Health Organization and the IAEA.

    Thats a way to win an argument... question the other guys credibility, and make outraegous claims to piss people off enough to believe anything you say.:rolleyes:
     

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