Who has made it? Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!

ive always wondered that as well.

Say the big bang happened, what caused it, where did the particles come from? you cant make nothing from something, laws of physics, where did it all come from? was it just always there?

If it was just always there, you can use that logic, to say there is a being that is just always there, a creator.

So shooting someone down by saying who created God is bad logic, because you can be shot down by saying, where did your big bang come from...

 

The fact is we don't know what was going on before the big bang. Science has yet to go that far. That's a far cry from saying some dude who has existed forever created us from nothing, though.

 

still, whatever happened before the big bang according to scientists, you can ALWAYS ask 'what happened before that, and before that...etc.' there's no end to that.

 

Why don't u all look at the site here
http://www.islamicity.com/science/
also here
i can fine answers to all ur wonders here




http://www.think-deeply.tk/

 

why don't u all look at the site here
www.carlsagan.com

(dr sagan was always one of my favorite agnostics ...)
(& his view of the universe did not require a hypothesis named "god" - heh...)

of course, ymmv...

 

Every week the amount of children that starve to death, is higher than the current death toll caused by the Tsunami. We also have approximately 860 million (860,000,000) malnurished people in the same little world that we are living in. And altho' they are uncapable of providing basic nutrition for themselves or their families...
they are capable of reproduction.

"think deeply" about where that will put us in 20 years.

Does your system of beliefs justify this, or that?

a link or something would be nice.

 

Anyone who believes in that bullshit is a f***ing idiot. Hikaru Zero

don't beat around the bush, and use flowery euphemisms to try to soften the impactl. Just tell us how you really feel ..

 

First of all, Allah(may he be exalted) says:
44. Truly, Allah wrongs not mankind in aught; but mankind wrong themselves.

We have enough provision for to satisty every human being in the whole word but the problem is that we have divided it wrongfully, giving more to the rich and making the poor even more poor. And now for the question, who does our faith justify this? Among the 5 pillars of islam we have something which is called zakah which is important, important enough that the close companion Abu Bakar(the first chaliph) fought with the muslims who refused to pay it after the death of the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) Zakah is mentioned in numerous verses in the quran almost always along by the word salah(prayer) such as:

It is not Birr(righteousness) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west; but Birr is the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masakin (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set servants free, performs As-Salah (Iqamat-As-Salah), and gives the Zakah, and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of fighting (during the battles). Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqun (the pious).)[2.177]

The zakah is obligatory upon the muslims and it is to be distributed among the poor - now the question is - does it work?
Ofcourse it does, the problem is that the muslim nation has avoided it recently, but this was not the case back in history, such as the era of Umar Abdul Aziz. During his time they sent the zakah to Yemen and North Africa to be given to the poor but suprisingly the money was returned to them this time sence they coulnd't find a single poor person to give it to. So he gave the order that they should use it to build streets instead.

 

Think of this. God is just as hungry for your love and devotion as these people are for food. You who have food, wealth, and the good things of life who do not love God cause pain to God. Do you not think that God cries out in pain? Where is your conscience?

 

So if noone on earth believed in God, would he die?

 

in terms of the apple arguement,

anti matter does not equate to a negative value of matter. theyre two different things. if you have an anti apple, its not like having -1 apples. the only time that can happen is if you were tl;king about your assets, and you said -1 apple, youd be in debt of an apple. one anti-matter apple is just that. one of them. your arguement in this issue is that of someone in junior high, sorry to say

but that doesnt mean i support either arguement

the notion of creation is something that is only whitnessed in capable minds, and mainly only in humans. the only places that creation is seen in the whople universe outside of humans are thigns like bowerbirds or ants who design their surroundings

however, in all cases, it is a mind who is physically designing and creating objects out of resources.and in all cases, the creator is made of the same stuff as what theyre creating -matter.

so using this logic, while its theoretically possible that elements of nature were designed and created by a mind, the universe could merely have been shaped by and entity, not cxreated, and that entity would have to have been made of matter as well.

however its more likely that humans are the first thing in the known universe to have a concept (by the human brain) of 'creation'. also, creation has been somethign thats slowly advanced and designed through interaction of environment.

just because us humans can design things, does this mean that everything must have been designed by a mind like our own?

thats like saying that since we can die things with orange dye, then everything in nature must be caused by a dying process

the human concept of creation by assessing the environment and creating a solution using the human brain, is only one form of a change of environment, and nothing is created without a purpose. other thigns are shaped by weather, others from more complex, though still theoretical concepts such as evolution. along with this, the notion that god designed the universe infers that god had a reason. nothing is designed without a reason (in human terms and idea of design, which this thread is tlaking about) which would infer god had a purpose for everything he designed. now, evidently since god is omnipotent, and has no need for anything, the purpose of his creation MUST have been for his entertainment. it is the only reason someone would do anything wihtout a need. the purpose of the world is god's 'want'. therefor everything in the universe would have been designed with god's entertainment in mind. and so everythign bad that happens to humans would also be. if bad things were not to gods pleasing then he wouldnt have wanted them and so he wouldnt have created them in a way that would lead to them. he is after all omni-everything and can predict anything, and so he would have known what humans would do to themselves and their universe, and been able to act on them

so do you believe your grandmother's death by volcano was an acto of god's entertainment, and will?? what a nice, benevolant, caring god. oh wait thats right, after death, he commends all the people who believed in him, and sends all thsoe who dont to an eternity of pain. so hes an increidbly egotistical god, not a thoughtlessly cruel one!

 

A) That's not the case
B) God can teach you of God's existence (that's what God does anyway)

 

You are thinking in the ways of men, not the ways of God.

 

Exactly, that was the situation i proposed following that god would think like man

but he wouldnt

however humans always refer to him in our terms. love, hate, good, evil, pleasing, displeasing, benevolant, mysterious, etc.

when in reality if there was a god, he could not be explained by human terms such as these.

religions should constantly be searching for what their own god REALLY is, but sadly that is a rare thing in religion, which is a set of ideas that rely on their unchangingness to claim truthfulness

I dont believe in 'god' but i think anyone who did should not be satisfied with any explination of god's working though humanistic terms. however this would be impractical, generally.

 

Actually God can be explained with these terms, however if we look at things from the natural standpoint (it is bad to die) we are not seeing that death is simply a step in a perfect life. God gives death as a gift to demonstrate God's power so that you do not constantly worry about stuff.

 

Damn. Mine's broken, can I borrow yours? No? Damn, are they all broken???

 

Nah, nothings broken, a lot of things are not completely finished (Look out for those people from finland though, they are really crazy).