Strip Clubs...

Double post.......

 

I've only been to 2 strip clubs....I'm not into them at all. It screws with peoples minds when they leave and go out into normal society again.

For some reason i find overly agressive sexuality like that a turn off, especially when I know its driven by money.

 

Strip clubs build character!

 

Is one of them "the Lusty Lady"in Seattle Michael, thats one of the two I've been too...more of a peep show, I like that a little better.

the other was the Body Shop in Hollywood and that was too much....

I'm not judgemental against strippers either, just usually don't find that kind of look to be enticing.

Bogs, that picture really makes me want to be mingling with the all male, moustached crowd there

 

It looks like a scene from a racey 70's movie!

 

My boyfriend and I went to a strip club because my roommate decided to have her bday party there. It was weird, but in a very erotic way. I bought him a lap dance, but you better believe I was watching her like a hawk the whole time.. she started kissing his ear, and I was all over it. I was like eh.. no. But yeah, we had some incredible sex that night, so it was worth it.:&

 

Alot of times, the girls are washed up looking- I know some dancers that are like 30-something and still doing it. They are bored and that's the only way they know- they are actually tired of the job but have no other way or skills to support themselves- and just get in a rut and it shows....
The other thing is alot of the girls are plastic surgery vixens and blow all their money on implants of every kind and still do not make alot of money...

The flip side is- there ARE still some naturally beautiful dancers that are doing it to pay their way through school, do it for a short time and quit (as in not still dancing in their 30s), use it to network and meet people. They are awesome entertainers and are sweet, genuine people that are not obvious addicts or fake barbie girls. Those are the ones I like and respect.

But, alot of the bars are dives and not upscale enough- so it attracks guys that look filthy and desperate. Places that are membership only -and have a high membership fee-are usually the best clubs to work in or visit.

 

I would actually be tempted to work in the strip club here in my city - the city decided that you couldn't have booze and naked people in the same place, so you aren't allowed to drink while watching the dancers. I'd only work there temporarily ( a day or two a week to make sufficient cash to live off of) during school, but it's very far from my place and since I take public transport....

Like Mystic Echo said, there are some seedy places and some great places. Depends on what you're looking for, and what's available in your area. And, how far the dancers undress - pasties, undies, or nothing?

 

I believe anyone that doesn't like strip clubs is either gay or fridgid or suffers of low self esteem. There can be no other reasons.

 

Gee Michael, you sure have everyone pegged.
I manage several different clubs and now have many close friends including my wife who are ex-dancers. It isn't so black and white. MOST dancers would never turn a trick. Otherwise they wouldn't keep dancing, they'd just become hookers. (and yes some do prostitute out of the clubs). Some girls find dancing to wear on their souls and then go down hill. Others, actually enjoy it and like many of the guys who come in to visit now and then. The ones who keep it all in perspective and respect the girls.
It is entertainment. Yes, sexual in nature but isn't most rock bands. Aren't girls turned on by them?

 

Anyone that doesn't like strip clubs is gay or fridgid or suffers of low self esteem. There are no other possible reasons.

 

unless they simply don't like looking at naked chicks writhing around, it just isn't their cup of tea.

anywho, if you don't like strip clubs, simply don't go. Life can be as simple as that sometimes.

 

My husband thinks their gross and sleazy, he feels like they objectify women. And believe me, he is not gay

 

OK, he thinks they are gross, sleazy and objectify women- but does he like them? ha

Seriously, not all, but most guys who tell their women shit like that are KISSING ASS! They tell you what they think you want to hear, so you won't rag on them about the time they did go, and never suspect them of going again. Or they are intimidated by the women. Yes, it is basicly a shallow exchange. Arousal for money. But how do you think women got any meat, when the cavemen came back from the kill. It's in our DNA.
Most strippers will tell you they feel a sense of power when they pull money from a mans wallet with just a flash of their natural beauty.
As far as gross- well I have seen some pretty gross strippers, especially after the lights come on. Sleaze? Yes, but the really good strippers can pull it off.
And objectify women? In reality, the men are being objectified more. A good stripper looks around the room and sizes everyone up by potential $$$$$$.

Look, men and women have different turn ons. Men are turned on initially but pysical form. Women are more complicated, but that doesn't make men more shallow.
Women can get caught up in celebrity. They can have the biggest crush on Johnny Depp or some rock star, without having any idea what he is really like in private. Women get caught up in romance novels, soap operas and such. They have their own way of having a "seperate sexual fantisy life".
Men, we generally just check out other women, store the image in our head to wack off to later. Both , are harmless if kept in perspective.

 

Of course you would say something like that, considering that you managed six different strip clubs. Oh, what an accomplishment, I'm sure your family was overwhelmingly proud of your success. I hope that your children never find out what their daddy did in the past and follow your lead. I would sure want a heck of a lot more for MY children.

 

You really are a bastard. You think just because you're a sleaze-ball that EVERY man is like you. Sorry, but you make me physically ill. I feel sorry for your wife and children, I really do.

 

You're really a piece of work. Maybe it's a thing called self respect or self control? Not everyone is into seeing women degrade themselves.

Yes, I can see in some ways how a woman might view it as a power-trip, but me, I think a lot more highly of myself than to stoop to those levels to get a power-high.

 

Hey hippychickmommy from, what's that say,- La La Land? What ever you want to believe, that's fine. I'm not going to pretend to know it all. I'm only calling it as I see it.
I just beleive from experience most "happy couples" aren't straight with themselves let alone each other. They lie to one another and themselves everyday to keep the peace.
As a naturalist and naturist, and a taoist, I believe in balance and honesty. I personally rarely go to strip clubs. But if I did go with my wife or a buddy, I would make a point to see the enjoyment side of it instead of copping an attitude about it to make myself feel above everyone there.
Yes, some men are off balance and only see the base or shallow side of sexuality. But on the other hand there are men who (usually christians) try to deny the baser side of themselve. We are evolving humans but we are animal too. Balance is the key. To over indulge the animal side stunts the growth as a human, but to totally deny it kills the spirit. I can't tell you how many times over the years I've seen men loose their balls trying to be the man they think their insecure woman wants them to be, only to years later loose that same woman because she became bored and found a man with some balls. I've seen men out of insecurity kill womens spirit too.
You say you're a happily married woman. But, my guess is you won't be for long. Men who deny their instincts become limp dicks by the time they're in their mid 30's. And I'm not saying he should cheat on you or you on him, or start swinging or anything like that, I just mean in your minds, stop being such insecure prudes.
I'm sorry if I sound mean spirited, but I take great pride in being a good father and husband. I doubt my daughter will ever think of being an exotic dancer. Most of the dancers I've known came from fathers who either-
Were not around at all,
molested or abused them, or
were religious nuts in denial.
(often if parents are off balalnce, the children are off balance the oposite way)
Besides, it isn't my job to make sure my daughter doesn't turn out to be anything I may disapprove of. My job is to help her be the best person she can with the self-confiidence and wisdom needed to make her own choices as an adult.

 

FYI, my husband and I have been together for 9 years, we are a very happy couple who are more in love now than we were the day we were married. Honest truth. We make our friends and family green-eyed with envy. Fact. I'm sorry if a pessimist like yourself does not believe in true love and being commited to one person for life, controlling yourself and not acting like some kind of raging hormone who has to stare at half-naked females other than your wife to get a hard on (hmm, maybe if you weren't such a strip club advocate you wouldn't feel that you simply MUST go to them to be satisfied). My husband is already going on 31, and our sex life is more satisfying now than it was way back when we were first together. Another truth, and this is something my husband has bragged about to his buddies. Oh, and I lost my virginity to him, have ONLY been with him, and have never once thought that I have somehow missed out. I'm sure in your eyes I'm probably repressed and some day I'll want to go out and hop on anything that has a penis.

Oh, and it's not your job to see what happens to your daughter's future, it's not your job to discourage her from doing certain things, such as turning out like one of the women at the clubs you managed? You sure sound like a deadbeat parent to me. It's your job as a parent to help steer your children in the right direction for the most happy and successful future possible. Maybe if you spent less time snooping in the women's forums, managing strip clubs, spouting off about what great women strippers are (um, okay) and kept your mind out of the gutter for 5 seconds, you might be able to spare a few minutes spending time with your daughter and worrying more about her than debating a silly topic to death, bashing those who do not agree with you and forcasting doom and gloom in their relationships all because they do not see eye to eye with you.

Sorry, but, you do not know me, my relationship, or anything but a few choice details that I choose to share with you. Just because I don't agree with men frequenting strip clubs, AND my husband doesn't feel the need to go to them (he would much rather be spending time with his young children and his wife who can love him the way he needs) does not mean that somehow something is missing from our lives. My in-laws have been very happily married for 40 years now, and he never visits strip clubs. What does that do to your theory? I know of many happy couples who do not do that sort of thing, and have been together longer than you will ever be with your wife I'm sure. You want to talk about someone getting bored, you need to worry more about your own wife. With her vast experience, who's to say that she won't lose interest in you in the not so distant future?

Really, you are not a relationship expert by any means, and anyone viewing your posts can see that. I am not claiming to be one myself, but passing judgment and stating that all men feel as you do is simply lumping all into one single pathetic category, and as with anything, you can't do that. Not everyone has the same mind set as you seem to have.

Good luck to you.

P.S. It really bothers me when people refer to strippers as "exotic dancers". That's an insult. I trained as a ballet dancerfor 10 years, I practiced day and night, day in and day out in a studio AND at home. It's all I did, and I loved it. Dancing was my life. That's real dancing and requires talent. Not slithering around some pole or shaking my goods for some jerk. Anyone could do that.

 

see now, this is where I disagree with you a smidgen. I do think that strippers can be great women. It depends a lot on -why- they are stripping. If it's simply to make money quickly, why not? So long as they're still the party in power, I don't see the problem. If they're doing it because they're only one step away from prostitution, or are forced to do it... yeah, I can see how it's bad.

But yes, definately... exotic dancing and stripping can be two very different things. I don't know that "anyone" can be a good stripper, but bellydancing is much much much cooler (and has the potential to be a lot mroe erotic than stripping, if you ask me)

not to say that all your points were invalid - I agree with a lot of what you say. I just think that women who strip for a living deserve more respect than society has allotted them so far.