Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Mainly I'm referring to assault style weapons such as the AK-47, Uzi, Galil, AR-15, FN FAL, MAC-10, Steyr AUG, TEC-9, and Armsel Striker (from a list on the net) as well as many others.

    Do I have to go word by word for you?
    Okay, A well regulated militia. Militias in colonial days were based on the Assize of Arms in England, enacted in 1181 by King Henry II as an obligation of certain citizens to serve and defend the kingdom.

    In 1623 the Virginia General Assembly ordered men to bear arms while at work and 1661 ordered that all freemen were to be trained every month in the militia of their particular county.
    In time all the colonies required free men to assemble on prescribed days to drill under an appointed lieutenant of their country.
    That is the Well regulated militia, designed, formed, and trained to defend the property and citizens of the Crown, not for self defense per se in other words being necessary to the security of a free State. Which by the founding of the country had become the United States, not England.

    By the time of the revolution most colonies required enlistment in a militia for all freemen aged 16 to 50 under command of a County Lieutenant that were required to drill on a regular bases. Militias served a variety of functions, none of which involved overthrowing their own government after the revolution and at the time the 2nd was written.

    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Now as militias were important and mandatory in many counties and as the government required ownership of a gun for service it had a right to enter your home and inspect that weapon. Under the Militia Act of 1792 enlistees had 6 months to buy a gun and accessories. The right to own a gun was granted to individuals within each state to prevent the Federal government from restricting gun ownership within a state and thereby reducing it's militias in the face of a standing federal army thus undoing state power, it wasn't inserted for the right of the individual person to defend themselves or even as a right to own a weapon for any old reason at all.
     
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  2. Rabbit240

    Rabbit240 Banned

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    I am asking for clarification on answers .

    Such as some consider living on minimum wage as acceptable
    While others consider anyone making less than 200k as poor.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You don't seem to be asking serious questions here. We're discussing alternatives to giving everyone a gun becasue they may come to harm due to crime. I suggested some alternatives to guns and now you expect me to list every detail possible.

    I don't have simple solutions like give everyone a gun, life is complicated an those who reduce it to simple memes like we need more guns aren't really looking for solutions.
     
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    Thank You for the information
     
  5. Varmint

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    Those who wish to infringe upon, regulate, legislate or interfere with the 2nd Amendment would do well to note that the word 'guns" isn't mentioned anywhere in it. The word is "arms", not "guns". This means ANY weapon of war, including destructive devices, tanks and appropriate munitions for them, rockets, missiles, bombs, etc...

    I realize that modern fear freaks would be aghast at any old citizen, otherwise referred to derisively as "civilians" having such things, much less training with and using them, but the founders of our republic knew all too well that, in order to protect OUR rights and liberties from tyrants who would love nothing more than to reduce us to subjects yet again, we would need the same weapons that such governments would use against us to fight back. Of course, only the brainless would construe this as insurrection, as those same weapons in the hands of everyday citizens can also protect our republic just as well from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic.

    EDIT: You are witnessing this very scenario right now in Ukraine, where their government has been handing out weapons left and right to it's citizens to protect their country from foreign invaders. I wonder if they'll want those weapons back after the fight is over...?
     
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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I'm answer this one then I'm done as I've said the world is complicated.
    An acceptable minimum wage would vary depending on location, social norms, family structure, etc. It varies.
     
  7. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    He's playing games with us to make a point... so typical. We have seen this play many times here at HipForums.

    Sounds just like a former member back to do it again... but it's all in fun?





















    Or is it serious...!

    I think the subject is quite serious.
     
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  8. Flagme15

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    Like MeAgain said, no where in the 2nd amendment does say anything about overthrowing the government.
     
  9. Flagme15

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    He’s trolling us.
     
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  10. Rabbit240

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    When did we talk about giving everyone guns ?
     
  11. Rabbit240

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    No not trolling, fun discussions, perhaps a touchy subject for some
     
  12. Rabbit240

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    I am not familiar with the list, other than the AR-15 and the AK admittedly they do look like weapons of warfare,

    yet they are not used in war, something very similar M-16 -M-4 ?
     
  13. FritzDaKatx2

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    They kind of already do, that's the point.
     
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  14. Flagme15

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    The AR-15 is not used in war, but the AK47 is probably the most widely used personal weapon in the world.

    AK-47, also called Kalashnikov Model 1947, Soviet assault rifle, possibly the most widely used shoulder weapon in the world. The initials AK represent Avtomat Kalashnikova, Russian for “automatic Kalashnikov,” for its designer, Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov, who designed the accepted version of the weapon in 1947.
     
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    Thank You
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I'll be off line for awhile.
    I'll check in later.
     
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  18. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Somehow I do not feel any safer.
     
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  19. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Is that a God-given right, or a constitutionally guaranteed right? (the underlined in above quote)
     
  20. scratcho

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    There is no such thing as a god given right. Rights are given or taken away by humans.
     

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