Concensus on the U.S.A?

What is the concensus of opinion on the U.S.A. and Yanks in general?
I mean, what image are Americans portraying about themselves to the world through various media, commerce, and politics?

My view is that Yanks suffer from monomaniacal self-interest and self-righteousness.
Anything that stands in the way of American self-interest is annihilated ~ even truth and justice.
The American people are manipulated through their allegiance and religion by two tiers of government and two tiers of enforcement ~ overt and covert.

 

thats the goverment not all the people.(sad but a lot of people are just going that way too) it makes me sick to see this shit. but please don't lump all of us togather many feel the same as I.

 

I do think that Americans are often ignorant of the world outside of our borders...but then, most people would be if they had thousands of miles between them and their nearest enemy (Cuba hardly even counts). Canada's culture is very similar to ours, and the only attitude toward Latin American culture most Americans know is one of resentment for unemployment.

For being such a melting pot of people from different backgrounds, America is very politically and culturally homogeneous. Our politicians argue over petty things that would be a joke in many other developed nations.

With that said, it's not really all that surprising that most Americans think that "the American way" is the best for everyone else. Almost everyone here believes in liberty and democracy (or at least claims to), so why should they think it would be any different halfway around the world? I think most people who want to make American hegemony the law of the land truly mean well, but are remarkably shortsighted when it comes to the needs and desires of the people they're imposing "the American way" on.

 

Not every American is like that. I call the "other half" United Statesans because we're the ones with the global view (Latin Americans resent Americans calling ourselves Americans). There are plenty of people who recognize the difference between patriotism and nationalism. Many of us know that being patriotic is being active with issues with disagree with, not sitting around blind simply because the government says something is right.

I wish the rest of the world could see that not all citizens of this country are guntoting, redneck cowboys.

 

I am not going to jump on the "hate America" bandwagon, because that's just not me. It's fucking cliche and it's annoying. It has also gotten really old.

I realize there are people both within and without the US government, who are working to deliberately and systematically bring this country down so they can bring about their New World Order. To accept what you see in the news at face value is to not accept the reality of what is going on. You are only being presented with a fraction of the truth by the media, that is when you're even being presented the truth at all.

The US, being the world's military superpower, is being used as the primary vehicle to usher in this New World Order. Follow the money and it all leads to the global-elite (ie: the world bankers), who ultimately control the government (here and abroad), who control the media, who control the people and what they think.

So it's no surprise that many Americans share similar thoughts and mentalities. It's all been dictated to them by the major media. This country has never been more polarized, and it's all by design. You have so many people who fall for the false left/right paradigm, which causes them to ignore the real issues that are at stake. Therefore, it shouldn't come as a surprise that so many Americans are as uninformed as they are, thus allowing what is happening to occur. These people think with their hearts and genitals, and not their brains. Many also fall for all the nationalistic BS that is spewed by the president, to the point where they become wrapped up in false patriotism, instead of objectively looking at the facts and forming an intelligent opinion on their own.

All I know is that there are ignorant people all across the globe. It's not just limited to America and Americans.

 

I read an article once that described an American woman's trip to a third-world nation. Apparently, she began talking to a boy when he asked to see her gun. She laughed and told the boy that she didn't have a gun. The boy, confused, told her, "but all Americans carry guns... everyone knows that."

 

Hmm...I've never heard that stereotype before. Interesting. One of the more obscure stereotypes that I've heard is that Americans are obsessed with hygiene.

Then of course, there are the more common ones: Americans are all obese, religious fundamentalists, who put money ahead of ethics.

 

The american goverment is no worse or better than many goverments around the world..neither are the people.

But you don't mind falling into another cliche .... that of conspiratorialist ?..This New world order, Neo con freemasonary etc etc is just people that don't share your way of thinking, are probably more inteligent and more rational so may come over as 'controling' ... Goverments have to go at the speed of their people and if we are unwilling to change then we may need a bit of push in the right direction ..

Take the recent elections http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1410067,00.html?gusrc=rss
the reason that woman were not voting was not because of the goverments unwillingness it was the peoples unwillingness.. the next elections will have woman and it will be held up as another step into democracy brought about by other goverments pressure and the 'spirit' of the voters , i am sure even though it will be just another 'goverment agenda'..

The New World order, what would this be then... ?. The combined notions of lots of NGOs comeing up with 'models' of certain aspects of the world and its economies and social interaction .. were we all can benefit (along with a few questionable notions that are purely the work of academics not crazy loonys bent on world dominance).... We could not come about such things ourselves being hindered by the notion of gods and other religous morale objections or plain inability too fathom the complexity of the way the world works....

I believe Tavistock has always had secret ties to British Freemasonry.
Byron T. Weeks, MD

I agree that a lot of what is in the media is not good.. but thats the fact that people don't follow the news as such.. people like yourself i am sure have watched a news cast and thought thats just not true ? so have i . The more you watch the more you realise its mostly a lot of rubbish. But it is not trying to control us, maybe just its the news speculation and a unwillingness to actualy divert from the accepted belief even if the belief is only that of the people that watch the news ... We can all only go on the 'inteligence' and 'knowledge' of our own minds..so sometimes we are wrong, even you. I bet you do a lot of channel surfing and switch from diffrent media perspectives to quench you first for information ?.

a mere conspiracy

I agree with all that.. and it happens in diffrent ways all over the world.. but its not always the case that the goverments are controlling you we are controlling the goverments by not going along and wishing for debate .. i am sure the new world order if true would be fantastic, we are just not ready for it as people .. being all the things some accuse the goverments of being.

True..we ar all ignorant upto a certain level .. if we were truly 'aware' i don't think we would be that concerned .. just we don't actualy wish to change that quickly.

 

No-one's being "lumped" mate. What I'm trying to establish is the world view that America sends out by which to weigh my own opinion.

I'll also start another thread asking for opinions on Australia after this one expires, unless you'd like to get one going right away which is OK by me, & I'll be in there boots and all telling how I reckon Oz has sold out on it's unique identity.

 

It's not a cliche. It's no more a cliche than somebody who believes that George Bush and Tony Blair are bringing freedom to the people of the Middle East, and that the war in Iraq was to find WMD's.

My IQ is 159, for your information. Not that I pride myself on that, I simply feel the need to defend myself, seeing that you find it necessary to bring my intellect into question.

You do nothing but assume regarding topics you have never reseached in your life, like you automatically know the answers to everything. You are like a few other people on these boards, who feel the need to belittle others for thinking outside the box, while having no idea of what they are even talking about. They just talk without ever presenting any facts to back up what they have to say, then expect us to blindly go along with whatever they say the truth is, like they are the Grand Poobah's of all knowledge and only their opinions count.

You feel that because something doesn't seem like it could be happening, it isn't happening, when that just is not the case at all.

The New World Order consists of international bankers, high-ranking executives of multinational corporations, elite government figures, academics and media moguls, all whom are working tirelessly to bring about their global-government/dictatorship. They work though such organizations as the Council on Foreign Relations, David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group, among several other elite fronts.

Only a true Nazi could be in support of the New World Order when they come to understand exactly who these people are and what their agenda is. These are the same people who are responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions of people. They are the true masters of war, the harbingers of terrorism, and the ones pulling the strings in the media and every other facet of our lives. And yes, through the various institutions they own and control, including the media, they manipulate the people to form a concensus opinion amongst the masses, that was in fact dictated by them to you.

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in past centuries."

-- David Rockefeller, in an address given to Catherine Graham, publisher of The Washington Post and other media luminaries in attendance in Baden Baden, Germany at the June 1991 annual meeting of the world elite Bilderberg Group.

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history in America, as an independent press You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my' paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

--John Swinton, former chief of staff, The New York Times, in a 1953 speech before the New York Press Club

"We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose to deal with."

-- Richard M. Cohen, former Senior Producer of CBS political news

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."

-- Richard Salant, former President of CBS News

Well, that's your opinion, which you are entitled to. All I will say is that I have come to my conclusions after doing a significant amount of research on these topics. If I thought this was as mundane and harmless as you are making it out to be, I wouldn't feel the need to bring it up.

Maybe instead of mocking me and making me out to be delusional, you should try doing some of your own research.

 

Just for the record ~ GW Bush, Tony Blair, and John Howard have all used the term "new world order" in war justification speeches.
But New World Order doesn't sound quite right. It really should be New World Disorder!

 

Many world figures have used the term throughout history....

"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."

-- Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

"The New World Order cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions."

-- Henry Kissinger, World Affairs Council Press Conference,
Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity (Persian Gulf crisis) to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."

-- George Herbert Walker Bush

"The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault."

-- CFR member Richard Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs.

"If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world order, actuated by complete understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present international situation of mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of all lands."

-- Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president of the World Federation of Education Associations (August 1927), quoted in the book "International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World" (1931)

"The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a new world order."

-- Richard Nixon, in Foreign Affairs (October 1967)

"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long."

-- President George Bush (January 1991)

"The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial, political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a 'League of Nations' or a 'Federated Union' to which the United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World Government plan is being advocated under such alluring names as the 'New International Order,' 'The New World Order,' 'World Union Now,' 'World Commonwealth of Nations,' 'World Community,' etc. All the terms have the same objective; however, the line of approach may be religious or political according to the taste or training of the individual."

-- excerpt from A Memorial to be Addressed to the House of Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General Convention (October 1940)

"At the old Inter-American Office in the Commerce Building here in Roosevelt's time, as Assistant Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs under President Truman, as chief whip with Adlai Stevenson and Tom Finletter at the founding of the United Nations in San Francisco, Nelson Rockefeller was in the forefront of the struggle to establish not only an American system of political and economic security but a new world order."

-- part of article in the New York Times (November 1975)

"How I Learned to Love the New World Order"

-- Article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in Tthe Wall Street Journal (April 1992)

How to Achieve The New World Order

-- Title of book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine (March 1994)

"The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund."

--Part of full-page advertisement by the government of Morocco in The New York Times (April 1994)

 

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I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man, they can be great entertainment.

To me the problem with conspiracy theorists is that they can spend so much time making connections and finding ‘evidence’ that they often fall into the same category of obsessives as transpotters and can become as relevant as astrologers. Events become less important than what the events mean to their overall conspiracy theory.

I have nothing against people that want to indulge in such activities but do often think that when taken too far it can be a hindrance rather than a help in understanding and forming a reaction to what is going on.

 

The world is a big place and peoples views of each other are going to change from region to region. In Britain generally Americans are seen as arrogant, and many people think them ignorant, which depending on the subject they think is amusing or alarming.

However many people can also differentiate between ‘types’ of Americans. For example in a resent TV drama about the blossoming relationship between an English man and American woman, his friend saying it wouldn’t work says disparagingly that she is “American” to which the reply was that she was from New York which meant she was closer to thinking like a European.

Basically most British think there are to varying degrees reasonable and unreasonable Americans. From political and religious wack jobs through to the pragmatic and on out to the laid back easy riders.

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PS: If I was to describe Australians in one statement from my expirance of them it would be that they ‘are up for it’ as in they will try anything and know how to have a good time.

 

stereotypes of people in every country are generally negative..

 

Thats true..we are all full of a few cliches .. but you used that word , i think i like 'point of view' better.

I did not say you were stupid , sorry if it seemed like i was saying you were. I just meant that their are always people with more knowledge and more inteligence than you or me.. i realy meant it universaly, but because i was talking too you i used you as a e.g.. i meant our held beliefs could be proved wrong quite easily leaving us with a babys notion of the way things are ..

I don't have the answer too everything..i would be a bit mad if i did.

I never try and bellitle if i come across that way..then ooops.
I think i think 'outside the box' as well .

So everything or most of the things you say are true too the best of your knowledge ? .. I believe it could happen, i just don't believe it is happening (in the way you think) . A 'evil world were we are all living under dictatorships ?..infact i think the 'new world order' is trying to do the precise opposite.

Beacause 'they' don't say 'no' because 'they' say 'fight' because 'they' say 'acceptable human suffering' because 'they' say 'democracys work' 'woman and men can vote' .. yeah that is quite cold and calculating .. but their is 'order' too the logic and not the dis order (from indiviual terrorist groups unwilling to talk) that stops nations being able to work together.. 'They' would be our goverments..

I am sure you feel passionatly about this..if you thought it was untrue or just mundane then i am sure you would not bring it up.. this is why i don't bring it up much..and if the way i articulated myself was rude or you did not understand what i was getting at , sorry. My research is just garnered from the same sources (as you) mostly i would imagine..i have decieded too interpret it all diffrently.

I am not mocking you, and i don't think you delusional.. honestly.. I have done my own research .

This thing that is under the umbrella of 'NWO' is imho even using your quotes , not that bad in the long run..and your missing the actual point i think.

The inteligence i speak of is the understanding of making the world better but realising it will be difficult and too achieve it we need too move as one rather than the fractured world we do today..

http://www.rockfound.org/display.asp?Context=1&Collection=1&Preview=0&ARCurrent=1

http://www.tavinstitute.org/index.php

and many more , seem to be doing good rather than bad ?.

Because the church was losing power and wanted to maintain its grip on the goverment and the peoples minds .. don't you think they have been after their own 'new world order' for thousands of years ? this is taken from 1940 , most of the things it states have come too pass .. diffreent guises, yes.. You don't have too like a 'united states of europe' or the fact that america has too take military responsibility or leadership or that they need the help from other nations .. or 'United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty' we had the same with 'united states of europe' 'E.U superstate' .. this is goverments working for us but not at the speed too wich we like so we sometimes resist .. We don't bend over as such but a clearer rational understanding from the 'media' but also media bias due too allegiances with diffrent political partys coupled with official goverment record (ok creates confusion)...But we eventualy through debate, elections, referendums etc etc slowly create our own 'world order'..don't we ?.

If my IQ was 159 ..this might have come out better

 

See, this is where you're wrong... thinking global government is good and that the people who are behind it want what is best for you. That is incredibly naive thinking, and it shows you don't really know anything about the NWO players. It also shows that you're buying their propaganda.

Many socialist liberals have tried to tell me how great the New World Order is, but these are also people who place an enormous amount of trust and faith in big government. To them, the more government plays a role in their lives, the happier they are.

Like I have said, if there is a one-world government, it isn't going to be some beautiful utopia where everyone thrives and loves their neighbor. It would be more like Nazi Germany, but on a global scale. And we are already beginning to see this with increased surveillance and government control (ie: federalization of local police forces), not only in the US, but across much of the the western world.

And please, don't try to feed me links from the Tavistock Institute, who are masters of propaganda... and it is not a surprise that is what they specialize in. The Tavistock Institute has played an enormous role in shaping public opinion over the past 50-60 years, since it was founded in 1946. Propaganda works so well because of people at the Tavistock Institute, who devote their lives to the study of human manipulation and control.

Who do you think runs these big institutes anyway? Who do you think funds them? Big Bird? Mr. Rogers?

Please, open your mind a bit.

I have been studying this incessantly for quite a while, and providing me with a couple links and a half-baked lecture isn't going to sway me. As a matter of fact, nothing will change my mind because I am absolutely certain of what is going on. For the past year I have devoted most of my waking hours to researching this stuff. I know who is really pulling the strings and I know what they have planned for the world, which isn't pretty. What we see going on in the world right now is all part of it, and it's only going to get worse over the coming years.

It's only a matter of time before a city (or cities) here or abroad is wiped out and rendered unlivable by radiological dirty bomb(s) or a biological agent, which will be used to bring about martial law and take away the rest of our rights that the Patriot Act hasn't already. This would likely follow with a complete collapse of the global economy, which will be used to usher in this New World Order, which will entail a centralized government, currency, a world army and a microchipped population. It's the typical problem-reaction-solution scenario that governments around the globe have used for centuries to manipulate the masses into accepting things they normally wouldn't through fear and chaos.

I guess only time will tell, and until then I am willing to be called a nut by whoever wishes to call me one. I really don't care about what people think, I only care about what I think.

I am not asking people to agree with me, either. I encourage people to do their own research and come to their own conclusions, as I have done.

 

What are Americans like? They're just 99.99999% homo sapiens like everybody else. For the most part they're greedy and selfish just like everyone else. They use their vast power unwisely just like every other superpower in the history of the world. They're arrogant, and generally think that their way is the best way, just like everyone else. They have their own customs which other people find strange, just like everyone else. The country is not comprised entirely of geniuses, just like everywhere else. They have weaknesses, just like everyone else. They have strengths, just like everyone else. They have criminals and nice people, just like everywhere else.

If you think we are so awful, ask yourself this: Is there a nation in the world where a bag containing two thousand dollars, euro, yen, whatever and a note with the name and address of the money's owner, if left in the street, would be returned to it's owner more often than in the US? Less often?

It's human nature, stupid. If you want to be an asshole, fine, I can gladly out-asshole anyone here, but don't be an ignorant asshole.

On second thought, go ahead and be an ignorant asshole, it's in your nature, just don't fuck with my life.

Human beings are, generally speaking, fascinating shitbags, wherever they happen to live, the US just happened to somehow become the dominant power in the globe at this particular junction in history, which means that the whole world is fascinated with our shitbaggery.

 

Does this say that the nation with the greater the number and highest intensity of of assholes rules the world? Seems to be historically accurate, anyway.
So, is such a state of affairs acceptable to the lesser assholes of the world, or should the rest of the world play asshole catch-up and get into a conga line of assholes?
Or could people, by discussing and recognizing what really is a difficult state of affairs, actually ellicit change for the better?