is it only me?

Discussion in 'Art' started by han_tigger, Jun 7, 2004.

  1. han_tigger

    han_tigger Member

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    Is it only me who finds a lot of modern art ridiculous? i go to the Tate modern and find big blue squares, see through pots of rubbish and plates stuck to a pin board, whats that all about?

    Hannah.
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  2. thepixies

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    yeh it is pretty bollocks
     
  3. ArtLoveMusic

    ArtLoveMusic Senior Member

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    umm i wouldnt call it bollox its just contextual art rather than aesthetic. They are often created for what the represent rather than how they look to please an audience.
    How ever yes colour fields (blocks of colour on canvas) i have never found very appealing.
     
  4. han_tigger

    han_tigger Member

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    I do agree that certain art makes you think or could reprisent something rather than just look good! But theres a lot of stuff parading as art thats a lump of concrete or something and stands for nothing! or seems so at least!

    Hannah.
     
  5. Kastenfrosch

    Kastenfrosch Blaubeerkuchen!! Lifetime Supporter

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    A lot of poeple say "that isn't art - I can do that too!"

    but it's not about that. It's not about beauty, or how decorative a piece is. And how fleassy said, it's a lot about context. Many artworks make statements about arthistory, others about very personal issues. Looking at contemporary art is very complicated, as it doesn't follow any rules, like it was usual in other eras. Today, art is a very individual process, connected with personal development. So yes, pieces are easy to reproduce, but there is also an idea or a concept behind, which you can't reproduce. And to get the concept, you have to study an artist very close, look at all of his work (which is impossible in a museum or gallery, they usually only have one or two pieces) You should read his/her publications, and sometimes publications about him/her (careful on that since art is also a lot about opinion, and you want to make your own, and not adapt another). But that is a time consuming process.
     
  6. ArtLoveMusic

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    Also to say something isnt art is a bit of a harsh judgement because anything can be perceived as art.

    The Dadaists pushed the barrier of this innitially, R.Mutt for example put an upturned urinal into a gallery and called it "fountain" it caused an uproar because no one considered it as art. But his point was "i want it to be art, i see it as a piece of art therefore to me it IS art"
     
  7. flowerspirit

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    I think that was Duchamp. He only wrote R.Mutt on it so that no one knows that he made it.
     
  8. ArtLoveMusic

    ArtLoveMusic Senior Member

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    yea thats the one, id forgotten his name :) cheers :)
     
  9. backtothelab

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    Yeah, I hate that. People try to be "intellectuals". Same thing with psychedelic art. Someone draws a guy with an extra eye or a something far out and wacky like a purple fish driving a golf cart, and it's psychedelic( or the generic photoshop job). The big thing now is trying to cram as much crap onto one page as you can, to make it seem more "complex". God forbid a person would just draw, instead of trying to be like someone else. I understand that anything can be art, and i stand behind that, but that does'nt mean everything should be art.
     
  10. JOsie

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    why not?

    i think that the very fact that people discuss it and say that it isn't art makes it art...it is art around the theme of "what makes art art"...to me it's like if someone whistles a song they've heard...no-one can say to that guy (or girl) that what they just did wasn't music...if someone writes a book of poetry and publishes it you can't say that it isn't a book...if someone makes something with the express purpose of it being art...then it's art...just because it doesn't appeal to you or because you don't get it doesn't mean it isn't art...

    like my old drama teacher said to me once..."there's no such thing as bad music...it's just music that you can't relate to"
     
  11. backtothelab

    backtothelab Senior Member

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    I meant "everything" as "every thing", not as "every piece of art".
    If someone says it's art, it's art. simple as that
     
  12. DarkLunacy

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    Yeah I just loved it when people were calling urinals art. Aparently plumbers have been artists for years.
     
  13. white ginger

    white ginger Senior Member

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    my mom said something about art that I think is art in itself if you follow what she said:

    It is art when it changes you

    or something along those lines... Like, when you look at it, hear it, whateverÑsense it, and it changes something in you, then it is art. I would definitely agree.
     
  14. han_tigger

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    I think thats true if something changes u and i do in some way agree that if someone does something they consider art then its art, and perhaps like you said about music its just that u can't relate 2 it, not that its bad! I also agree that people shud b free 2 express themselves as they like! But is an unmade bed art? and like the other person was saying about plumbing, and then whatever it is sell it 4 a ton of money, don't u think some1's havin u on?? If it changes u, is pleasing to the eye or has some purpose, to say or express something, then i agree it can be seen as art, but it seems some people are going a bit far and now anything is art, even a pile of rubbish on the street!

    Hannah.
     
  15. ArtLoveMusic

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    What if someone created an urinal into the fountain (like Duchamp) and called it art but DIDn't sell it. what if they didnt do it for the money mmore for the message that was beoing put across. A lot of contempary and the former Modern art was there topush the bounderies, to challenge people who put a wall on the word art.

    Not all art is made for money, art is such a personal thing. someone might say that a leave.. it isnt art.... but surely thats the art of nature... and buildings.... are they not the art of the architecht? (sp)
    Just a thought.
     
  16. han_tigger

    han_tigger Member

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    I agree its great if art pushes the boundaries!
     
  17. flowerspirit

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    I think some colourfield paintings are great!
    And Malewitsch is one of the greatest artists ever.
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