Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?

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  1. ~Zen~

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    Don't apologize @Moon Goddess!

    I encourage everyone to speak up to this obvious troll and expose the lies being spouted.

    This person is NOT impartial, poorly educated, highly indoctrinated and extremely opinionated. Perhaps a BOT???

    I personally think this person/entity uses AI to create these amazingly hallucinogenic craftings of alternative reality.
     
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    Are you on drugs, Zen?
     
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    But OT............how about some other conspiracy s...........*sigh*



    Happy weekend :D

    Mzzls
     
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    Keep it light!!!
     
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    I don't give her that much credit. She lifts it from Holocaust denial websites, and never tells us which ones.
     
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    I dont give any of you any credit since you lift all your sources from Zionist websites.
    You see poison the well fallacy, ad hom calling me a troll fallacy are all nothing more than the last gurgles when you have no argument and you become fish bait as you sink to the bottom of the ocean! :p
     
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    JAP is Jewish American Princess.

    Since people here seem to be so uninformed about Jewish matters Zionism and Judaism is completely opposed to one another. @Tishomingo defends his position with 'popular opinion' and without material evidence to back any of his claims.

    In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people")[1]
    is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good because the majority thinks so.[2]


    I cant accept fallacies as bonafide, again that is why I need material evidence.

    I posted testimony WITH collaborating material evidence, you people post a lot of hot air so far. I have hopes that you might stumble across something new that I have not yet seen to demonstrate your position.

    @MeAgain defends his position by agreeing with me that the DEATH camps in fact had soccer teams, then claims they were all dead shortly after and as usual never so much as one shred of evidence to prove his point, and likewise @Moon Goddess acknowledges that the DEATH camps had entertainment all of which I said, no mention was made of anything diabolical and the red cross had full access to ALL the camps.

    @MeAgain Crematories do not smoke, and crematories have virtually no smell especially from 70ft tall chimneys and definitely not 300 yards away.

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    Rabbi to Eli: "But that means you are writing lies"


    @Moon Goddess Yes I remain neutral on the subject, I am forced to post material facts that contradict everyones claims does not mean I am not nuetral, it means I need evidence that trumps or meets the evidence I posted, no one has has posted anty 'material evidence'.

    I have not yet determined the claim of Holocaust is universally is either true or untrue, however material evidence does trump anecdotal and testimonial evidence and I posted both.

    I never denied the holocause in fact I asked WHICH ONE?

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    As you can see above AGAIN I asked you to define which Holocaust you were talking about since there were so many of them.


    That was posted in reference to Tish and MA


    **
    John D. McCallum, Crime Doctor [a biography of Dr. Charles P. Larson]
    (Mercer, Wash.: The Writing Works, 1978), pp. 44-46, 59, 69;

    ** See also: J. Cobden, "The Dachau Gas Chamber Myth," The Journal of Historical Review, March-April 1995, pp. 17-18.

    The crime Doctor is the Official US Army Forensic Investigative Pathologist who performed autopsies on over 1000 corpses and did not find any gassed victims in the DEATH CAMPS.

    ** 2. Jane Floerchinger, "Concentration Camp Conditions Killed Most Inmates, Doctor Says," The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.

    The newspaper Journalist conclusion after interviewing Larsen about what he found on the camps.


    ** 3. J. D. McCallum, Crime Doctor (1978), p. 46.

    Quote from Forensic Investigator Charles P Larsens book Crime Doctor (1978).

    ** The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.

    Quote from Eagle Journalist,

    ** Rear Admiral John E. Gordon, USN, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of Operations, U.S. Army, 1945,"

    Quoting Admiral Gordon!

    ** in Forest Ray Moulton, editor, Rickettsial Diseases of Man (Washington, DC: American Academy for the Advancement of Science, 1948), pp. 16-27.

    ** Quoted in: Friedrich P. Berg, "Typhus and the Jews,"

    ** The Journal of Historical Review
    , Winter 1988-89, pp. 444-447,

    ** and in Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (IHR, 1993), pp. 46-47.


    Quoting Gordon and Moulton on the conditions in Europe.


    ** 6. "Disease killed Nazis' prisoners, MD says," Toronto Star, Feb. 8, 1985, p. A2.

    The Toronto Star editor quotes Larson and Barton!


    ** On Barton's similar testimony in a 1988 Toronto trial, see: Barbara Kulaszka, ed.,

    The same testimony from the British Army Forensic Investigator.

    ** Did Six Million Really Die? (Toronto: Samisdat, 1992), pp. 175-180, and,

    Toronto Journalist Editorical.

    ** Robert Lenski, The Holocaust on Trial (1990), pp. 157-160, and,

    Problems with the Holocaust story quoting Robert Lenski.

    ** M. Weber, "Bergen-Belsen Camp: The Suppressed Story," The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1995, pp. 27, 30 (n. 30).

    Quoting M Weber

    ** 7. "Clay Explains Cut in Ilse Koch Term," The New York Times, Sept. 24, 1948, p. 3.

    ** 8. Interview with Lucius Clay, 1976, Official Proceeding of the George C. Marshall Research Foundation. Quoted in M. Weber, "Buchenwald: Legend and Reality," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87 (Vol. 7, No. 4), pp. 406-407.

    ** 9. International Military Tribunal (IMT), Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal (Nuremberg: 1947-1949 ["blue series"]), Vol. 20, pp. 489, 438.

    ** 10. Eugen Kogon, The Theory and Practice of Hell (New York: Berkley Books [pb.], 1984), pp. 108-109. See also: "Punishment for Mistreating SS Camp Prisoners," The Journal of Historical Review, Jan.-Feb. 1995, p. 33.

    ** 11. Nuremberg document NO-1523. Published in Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunal (NMT "green series"), Vol. 4, pp. 372-373.

    ** 12. Egon W. Fleck and Edward A. Tenenbaum, Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report, US Army, 12th Army Group, April 24, 1945. National Archives, RG 331, SHAEF, G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151. Quoted in: M. Weber, "Buchenwald: Legend and Reality," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 408-409.

    ** 13. Donald B. Robinson, "Communist Atrocities at Buchenwald," American Mercury, October 1946, pp. 397-404.

    ** 14. San Bernardino Sun-Telegram, March 13, 1966. Quoted in: James J. Martin, The Man Who Invented 'Genocide' (IHR, 1984), pp. 110-111.

    ** 15. "Concentration Camp at Natzwiller [sic]," RG 331, Records of Allied Operations and Occupation, SHAEF/G-5/2717, Modern Military, National Archives (Washington, DC). Quoted in: Robert H. Abzug, Inside the Vicious Heart (New York: Oxford University Press, 1985), pp. 9-10, 181 (n. 5).

    ** 16. John Cobden, Dachau: Reality and Myth (IHR, 1994), pp. 25-29. See also: The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1993, pp. 9-11; The Journal of Historical Review, March- April 1995, p. 16.

    ** 17. "Keine Vergasung in Dachau," Die Zeit (Hamburg), August 19, 1960. Facsimile reprint, and English-language translation, in The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1993, p. 12.

    ** 18. Letters in Books & Bookmen (London), April 1975, p. 5, and in The Stars and Stripes (European edition), Jan. 24, 1993, p. 14. Wiesenthal's 1993 Stars and Stripes letter is reprinted in facsimile in The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1993, p. 10.

    ** 19. Memorial Site Concentration Camp Dachau. Leaflet published by the International Dachau-Committee (Dachau, Germany), no date.


    AND IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON!

    [1] Nerin Gun, The Day of the Americans (New York: Fleet Publishing, 1966), p. 128.

    [2] N. Gun, The Day of the Americans, pp. 674)9.

    [3] Michael Selzer, Deliverance Day: The Last Hours at Dachau (Philadelphia: J. B. Lippincott, 1978), p. 31.

    [4] M. Selzer, Deliverance Day (1978), p. 246.

    [5] International Military Tribunal, Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal (Nuremberg: 1947-1949 [IMT "blue
    series"]), Vol. 19, p. 434.

    [6] International Military Tribunal, Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal (1947-1949), Vol. 37, p. 621. (Document
    159-L is a "Report of a Special Congressional Committee to the Congress of the United States, 15 May 1945 ...")

    [7] International Military Tribunal, Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal (1947-1949), Vol. 5, pp. 172-173.

    [8] Quoted in: John D. McCallum, Crime Doctor (Mercer Island, Wash.: The Writing Works, 1978), pp. 46, 57.

    [9] Quoted in: John D. McCallum, Crime Doctor (1978), p. 57.

    [10] John D. McCallum, Crime Doctor (1978), pp. 57-60, 69.

    [11] Jane Floerchinger, "Concentration Camp Conditions Killed Most Inmates, Doctor Says," The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.

    [12] Paul Rassinier, The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses (IHR, 1989), pp. 230-231.

    [13] Fr. Alexis Lechanski, "At Dachau," The Wanderer (St. Paul, Minn.), October 5, 1989.

    [14] Robert Baldwin, "Priest recalls horror of concentration camp," Our Sunday Visitor, May 26, 1985, p. 3.

    [15] Paul Berben, Dachau 1933-45, The Official History (London: Norfolk Press, 1975), p. 147. See John Cobden's review of this book in The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1989 (Vol. 9, No.4), pp. 485-504.

    [16] Robert Baldwin, "Priest recalls horror of concentration camp," Our Sunday Visitor, May 26, 1985, p. 3.

    [17] Paul Berben, Dachau 1933-45, The Official History. (London: 1975), p. 153.

    [18] Letter by Stephen F. Pinter, Our Sunday Visitor, June 14, 1959, p. 15.

    [19] Andrew Mollo, "Dachau," After the Battle (London: Plaistow Press, 1980), Issue No. 27, pp. 17,25.

    [20] Book & Bookmen (London), April 1975, p. 5; Wiesenthal similarly acknowledged that "there were no extermination camps on German soil" in a letter published in Stars and Stripes (Europe), Jan. 24, 1993, p. 4. A facsimile of Wiesenthal's 1993 letter is published in The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1993 (Vol. 13, No.3), p. 10.

    [21] "Keine Vergasung in Dachau," Die Zeit (German edition), August 19, 1960 (and in the US edition, Aug. 26, 1960, p. 14); Facsimile of this letter, with translation and commentary, in The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1993 (Vol. 13, No.3), p. 12.

    [22] A. Mollo, "Dachau," After the Battle (London: 1980), Issue No. 27, p. 13; Probably the most thoughtful and detailed account of the liberation day massacre of German camp personnel is Dachau: The Hour of the Avenger, a memoir and investigation by Howard Buechner. This well illustrated 175-page softcover book is available from Thunderbird Press, 300 Cuddihy Dr., Metairie, LA 70005, USA. See also: The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1993, pp. 7, 8, and, The Journal of Historical Review, Nov.-Dec. 1993, p. 47.

    [23] P. Berben, Dachau: 1933-45, The Official History (London: 1975), p. 191.

    [24] A. Mollo, "Dachau," After the Battle (1980), Issue No. 27, p. 15.

    [25] M. Selzer, Deliverance Day (1978), p. 176.

    [26] M. Selzer, Deliverance Day (1978), pp. 188-189.

    [27] M. Selzer, Deliverance Day (1978), p. 13.

    [28] P. Berben, Dachau: 1933-45 (London: 1975), p. 194.

    [29] For more about this, see: Joseph Halow, Innocent at Dachau (Institute for Historical Review, 1992).

    [30] Alfred-Maurice de Zayas, The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 1939-1945 (Lincoln, Neb.: University of Nebraska Press, 1989), p, 119.

    [31] A.-M. de Zayas, The Wehnnacht War Crimes Bureau, (Lincoln, Neb.: 1989), p. 120.

    [32] A. Mollo, "Dachau," After the Battle (London: 1980), Issue No. 27, p. 20.

    [33] See: Mark Weber, "The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust," The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1992 (Vol. 12, No.2), pp. 187-193.

    [34] Nikolai Tolstoy, The Secret Betrayal (New York: Scribner's, 1977), pp. 354-356. The British edition of this book is entitled Victims of Yalta.

    [35] A-M. de Zayas, The Wehnnacht War Crimes Bureau (Lincoln, Neb.: 1989), pp. 272-273.



    See @Tishomingo I can post hundreds of links that rebut yours! So what?

    Israeli Historians Welcome Revision Of Auschwitz Death Toll


    Revised findings by the Auschwitz State Museum said the number of victims in the Nazi death camp in southern Poland actually was 1.1 million to 1.5 million, the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza reported Tuesday. Of that number, at least 960,000 were Jews.

    Israeli Historians Welcome Revision Of Auschwitz Death Toll

    How could 6 million Jews be gassed by hitler if the number of deaths was reduced from 4 million to 1.1 million, a minor 3 million counting error?


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    There there are these, Rabbis say it was fraud!

    Do you realize the MASSIVE CONSPIRACY AGAINST JEWS, that your claims implicate?


    If my math is correct I think thats to the tune of 240 million Jews between 1850 and 1950 that we are claiming slaughtered in one manner or another....that in itself seems highly suspect.



    Its very clear none of you understand the rules of evidence, or how cases are managed.
    All I can say is stick to your day job and hire a lawyer, if you try it yourself things are very unlikely to work out well for you. Any of you.

    Even I was shocked to discover they could BUY BEER IN THE 'DEATH' CAMP!

    From what I have seen so far, it appears there are a lot of historical fictons about the holocaust.
    You think I am a skeptic because I believed that nonsense? You people did. Just look at your attitudes! Its a religion to you! Unlike you all I knew what was going on. I knew about the fraudulent word changes, the Rabbi said: Eli you are writing lies! Eli admitted it in his book! JAP is jewish american princes! :p I already told you that twice.
     
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    A 'DEATH CAMP'? As in GENOCIDAL DEATH CAMP?

    BEER!

    I mean like seriously?????? :confused:


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    Simply mass hysteria ... WoW!
     
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    More of the same ad populum fallacy

    1. [​IMG]https://exploringyourmind.com › ad-populum-fallacy
      The Ad Populum Fallacy: Appealing to the Masses
      Jun 19, 2022Ad populum is a Latin phrase that means 'to appeal to the public'. The fallacy consists in maintaining that something has the nature of truth when it's accepted by public opinion, instead of for logical reasons. It's often used in the field of advertising. We hear phrases like 'the best seller' or 'everyone's favorite'.

    https://www.grammarly.com › blog › logical-fallacies
    What Is a Logical Fallacy?
    Apr 10, 2023A logical fallacy is an argument that can be disproven through reasoning. This is different from a subjective argument or one that can be disproven with facts; for a position to be a logical fallacy, it must be logically flawed or deceptive in some way.


    https://legaldictionary.net › corpus-delicti
    Corpus Delicti - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes - Legal Dictionary
    Definition of Corpus Delicti noun. A fundamental fact required to prove that a particular crime was committed. noun. The material substance or object upon which a crime has been committed. Origin 1825-1835 New Latin ("body of the offense") What is Corpus Delicti



    you really should at least have a clue how real convictions of a crime take place. you have convicted the nazis with a bastardized civil process that even the most shoddy court would throw out with you folks right along with it.

    I said earlier that crime requires criminal legal standards to prove that clearly from your posts none of you have the foggiest clue what you are doing out here.

    Hint: you cant prove a crime took place without material evidence and so far all I have seen is opinion pieces.

    I stated they had pools, theaters, orchestras, plays, movies and BEER at the cantina, then I collaborated it with witness testimony, hence it has strong evidentiary standing.

    Meanwhile you peeps posted nothing but opinions and continue to try to harangue and intimidate me to join your believers club. It wont work. I approach crime like a court wold approach crime using due process of law. Not your so in so said therefore its true.

    Like Faurissaun they had several counts against him and the court dismissed gas chamber count as not possible, he thought that would save him, but they still nailed him on violating the French gag laws.

    Notice thats the 4th time around she was called a holocaust denier.

    She recycles as many times as you do!
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    Speaking of Anti-Semites, Sartre wrote an insightful essay entitled "Portrait of an Anti-Semite". “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors." He got that right!
     
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    Everyone on the believer side is trying to intimidate me into joining their believer club and take note throughout this whole discourse I keep demanding they cite hard material evidence to prove their case.

    So far literally everything they claim has been shown to be false and or not reasonable proof to make a presentable case in an honest court.

    @Tishomingo's gaslighting, I can post 20 pages of reference statements too! lol

    They wont even bother to read them!

    They dont consider anything that runs contrary to their religious bias.

    (Of course they do accidentally agree with me in trying to defend their position which I have to chuckle a bit)

    Winston Churchill: German cities . . . will be subjected to an ordeal the like of which has never been experienced by a country in continuity, severity and magnitude . . . To achieve this end there are no lengths of violence to which we will not go. [Garrett, Stephen A. Ethics and Airpower in World War II—The British Bombing of German Cities. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1993. Page 31]

    (and the americans and british proceded to violate the geneva convention!)


    19-year-old Kate Hoffmeister: I struggled to run against the wind in the middle of the street . . . We . . . couldn’t go on across . . . because the asphalt had melted. There were people on the roadway, some already dead, some still lying alive but stuck in the asphalt. . . . They were on their hands and knees screaming. [Middlebrook, Martin. The Battle of Hamburg—Allied Bomber Forces Against a German City in 1943. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1981. Pages 266–267]

    Author Vera Brittain: The ruthless mass bombing of congested cities is as great a threat to the integrity of the human spirit as anything which has yet occurred on this planet . . . There is no military or political advantage which can justify this blasphemy. [Sorge, Martin K. The Other Price of Hitler’s War—German Military and Civilian Losses Resulting from World War II. Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 1986. Page 108]

    A RAF Crewman: There were people down there being fried to death in melted asphalt in the roads, they were being burnt up and we were shuffling incendiary bombs into this holocaust. I felt terribly sorry for the people in that fire I was helping to stoke up. [Garrett, Stephen A. Ethics and Airpower in World War II—The British Bombing of German Cities. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1993. Page 82]

    A Rescue Worker Never would I have thought that death could come to so many people in so many different ways . .some times the victims looked like ordinary people apparently peacefully sleeping; the faces of others were racked with pain, the bodies stripped almost naked by the tornado; there were wretched refugees from the East clad only in rags, and people from the Opera in all their finery; here the victim was a shapeless slab, there a layer of ashes. . . . Across the city, along the streets wafted the unmistakable stench of decaying flesh. [Irving, David. The Destruction of Dresden. London: William Kimber & Co., LTD. Page 189]

    A Rescue Worker: One shape I will never forget was the remains of what had apparently been a mother and child. They had shriveled and charred into one piece, and had been stuck rigidly to the asphalt. They had just been prised up. The child must have been underneath the mother, because you could still clearly see its shape, with its mother’s arms clasped around it. [Irving, David. The Destruction of Dresden. London: William Kimber & Co., LTD. Page 189]

    A Red Cross Worker: I went down on my knees, trembled and cried . . . Several women lay there with their bellies burst open . . . and one could see the babies for they were hanging half outside. Many of the babies were mutilated. . . . Scenes like that one I saw everywhere and very slowly one became numbed. One acted like a zombie. [McKee, Alexander.Dresden 1945—The Devil’s Tinderbox.New York: E.P.Dutton, 1982. Pages 252-253]

    A RAF Crewman: To just fly over it without opposition felt like murder. I felt it was a cowardly war. [McKee, Alexander.Dresden 1945—The Devil’s Tinderbox.New York: E.P.Dutton, 1982. Page 66]

    The Rape of Germany
    A Horrified Witness: In the farmyard further down the road stood a cart, to which four naked women were nailed through their hands in a cruciform position. . . . Beyond . . . stood a barn and to each of its two doors a naked woman was nailed through the hands, in a crucified posture. In the dwellings we found a total of seventy-two women, including children, and one old man, 74, all dead . . . all murdered in a bestial manner, except only a few who had bullet holes in their necks. Some babies had their heads bashed in. In one room we found a woman, 84 years old, sitting on a sofa . . . half of whose head had been sheared off with an ax or a spade. [De Zayas, Alfred M. Nemesis at Potsdam:The Anglo-Americans and the Expulsions of the Germans—Background, Execution, Consequences. London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1977. Page 63]

    Ilya Ehrenburg: Kill them all, men, old men, children and the women, after you have amused yourself with them! Kill. Nothing in Germany is guiltless, neither the living nor the yet unborn. . . . Break the racial pride of the German women. Take her as your legitimate booty. Kill, you brave soldiers of the victorious Soviet Army. [Lutz, Elizabeth. “Rape of Christian Europe—The Red Army’s Rampage in 1945.” The Barnes Review 3, no. 4 (Apr. 1997): 9–16.]

    A Rape Victim: The Russians were coming and going the whole time and they kept eyeing us greedily. The nights were dreadful because we were never safe for a moment. The women were raped, not once or twice but ten, twenty, thirty and a hundred times, and it was all the same to the Russians whether they raped mere children or old women. The youngest victim in the row houses where we lived was ten years of age and the oldest one was over seventy. . . . [Kaps, Johannes, ed. The Tragedy of Silesia, 1945–46—A Documentary Account with a Special Survey of the Archdiocese of Breslau. Munich: Christ Unterwegs, 1952/53. Page 136]

    A Witness from Neisse: These atrocities were not committed secretly or in hidden corners but in public, in churches, on the streets, and on the squares. . . . Mothers were raped in the presence of their children, girls were raped in front of their brothers. [Kaps, Johannes, ed. The Tragedy of Silesia, 1945–46—A Documentary Account with a Special Survey of the Archdiocese of Breslau. Munich: Christ Unterwegs, 1952/53. Page 228]

    German Soldier: We had never seen anything like it—utterly, unbelievably monstrous! Naked, dead women lay in many of the rooms. Swastikas had been cut into their abdomens, in some the intestines bulged out, breasts were cut up, faces beaten to a pulp and swollen puffy. Others had been tied to the furniture by their hands and feet, and massacred. A broomstick protruded from the vagina of one, a besom from that of another. . . . The mothers had had to witness how their ten and twelve-year-old daughters were raped by some 20 men; the daughters in turn saw their mothers being raped, even their grandmothers. Women who tried to resist were brutally tortured to death. There was no mercy. . . . The women we [the German Soldiers] liberated were in a state almost impossible to describe. . . . [T]heir faces had a confused, vacant look. Some were beyond speaking to, ran up and down and moaned the same sentences over and over again. Having seen the consequences of these bestial atrocities, we were terribly agitated and determined to fight. We knew the war was past winning; but it was our obligation and sacred duty to fight to the last bullet. [Testimony of “H. K.”, Bergisch-Gladbach, Germany (copy in possession of the author).]

    The Baltic Massacre
    A Young Mother: It was so terribly cold, and the wind was like ice… the snow was falling and nothing warm to eat, no milk and nothing. I tried to give Gabi the breast, behind a house, but she didn’t take it because everything was so cold. Many women tried that, and some froze their breasts. [Thorwald, Juergen. Flight in the Winter: Russia Conquers—January to May, 1945. New York: Pantheon, 1951. Pages 48-49]

    Defeat in The West
    A US Soldier: [T]he men were deliberately wounding guards. A lot of guards were shot in the legs so they couldn’t move. They were then turned over to the inmates. One was beheaded with a bayonet. Others were ripped apart limb by limb. [Buechner,Howard A.Dachau—The Hour of the Avenger.Metairie, Louisiana: Thunderbird Press, 1986. Page 104]

    Amy Schrott: They just opened up the camps and let them go. The Russians and Poles were looting the houses and killing the shopkeepers. Then they began raping the girls. [Amy Schrott Krubel interview, Jan. 9, 1997, Topeka, Kansas.]

    A US Sergeant: Our own Army and the British Army . . . have done their share of looting and raping . . . [W]e too are considered an army of rapists. [Kelling, 61; Time Magazine, Nov. 12, 1945; Life Magazine, Jan. 7, 1946.]

    A US Soldier: Hunger made German women more ‘available,’ but despite this, rape was prevalent and often accompanied by additional violence. In particular I remember an eighteen-year old woman who had the side of her face smashed with a rifle butt and was then raped by two GIs. Even the French complained that the rapes, looting and drunken destructiveness on the part of our troops was excessive. [Brech, Martin.“In ‘Eisenhower’s Death Camps’: Part I—A U.S. Prison Guard’s Story.” The Journal of Historical Review 10, no.2 (Summer 1990). Page 165.]

    Two German Soldiers (combined into 1 voice over):

    (1) t’s incomprehensible to me how we could stand for many, many days without sitting, without lying down, just standing there, totally soaked. During the day we marched around, huddled together to try to warm each other a bit.

    (2) The latrines were just logs flung over ditches next to the barbed wire fences. To sleep, all we could do was to dig out a hole in the ground with our hands, then cling together in the hole. . . . Because of illness, the men had to defecate on the ground. Soon, many of us were too weak to take off our trousers first. So our clothing was infected, and so was the mud where we had to walk and sit and lie down. There was no water at all at first, except the rain. . . . More than half the days we had no food at all. On the rest, we got a little K ration. I could see from the package that they were giving us one tenth of the rations that they issued to their own men. . . . I complained to the American camp commander that he was breaking the Geneva Convention, but he just said, “Forget the Convention. You haven’t any rights.” Within a few days, some of the men who had gone healthy into the camps were dead. [per Tishomingo Eisenhowers luxury camp] I saw our men dragging many dead bodies to the gate of the camp, where they were thrown loose on top of each other onto trucks, which took them away. [Pechel, Peter, Dennis Showalter and Johannes Steinhoff.Voices From the Third Reich—
    An Oral History. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Gateway, 1989. Page 491] [Bacque, James. Other Losses—An Investigation into the Mass deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans after World War II. Toronto: Stoddart Publishing Co., 1989. Page 38]

    The Purge
    Leni Riefenstahl: Neither my husband nor my mother nor any of my three assistants had ever joined the Nazi Party, nor had any of us been politically active. No `charges had ever been filed against us, yet we were at the mercy of the [Allies] and had no legal protection of any kind. [Horstmann, Lali.We Chose to Stay. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1954. Page 327]

    A German Prisoner: The purpose of these interrogations is not to worm out of the people what they knew—which would be uninteresting anyway—but to extort from them special statements. The methods resorted to are extremely primitive; people are beaten up until they confess to having been members of the Nazi Party. . . . The authorities simply assume that, basically, everybody has belonged to the Party. Many people die during and after these interrogations, while others, who admit at once their party membership, are treated more leniently. [Von Lehndorff, Hans Graf. Token of a Covenant—Diary of an East Prussian Surgeon, 1945–47. Chicago: Henry Regnery Co., 1964. Page 127]

    Both officers who took our testimony were former German Jews. [One] kicked me in the back and the other hit me. . . . [T]he terrible thing was, the German men had to watch. That was a horrible, horrible experience. . . . That must have been terrible for them. When I went outside, several of them stood there with tears running down their cheeks. What could they have done? They could do nothing. [Owings, Alison. Frauen—German Women recall the Third Reich.New Brunswick, N.J.: Rutgers University Press, 1994. Pages 335-336]

    George Patton: Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working . . . I can’t see how Americans can sink so low. [Martin Blumenson, The Patton Papers—1940–1945 (New York: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1972)]

    A British Witness: ome of them, one-eyed or one-legged veterans of seven or so, many so deranged by the bombing and the Russian attack that they screamed at the sight of any uniform, even a Salvation Army one. [Garrett, Stephen A. Ethics and Airpower in World War II—The British Bombing of German Cities. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1993. Page 141]

    American Historian Ralph Franklin Keeling: While the Germans around them starve, wear rags, and live in hovels, the American aristocrats live in often unaccustomed ease and luxury. . . . [T]hey live in the finest homes from which they drove the Germans; they swagger about in fine liveries and gorge themselves on diets three times as great as they allow the Germans. . . .When we tell the Germans their low rations are necessary because food is so short, they naturally either think we are lying to them or regard us as inhuman for taking the lion’s share of the short supplies while they and their children starve. [Keeling, Ralph Franklin.Gruesome Harvest—The Allies’ Postwar War Against the German People. 1947. Reprint. Torrance, Calif.: Institute for Historical Review, 1992. Page 101]

    Ethnic Cleansing
    Winston Churchill: Don’t mind the five or more million Germans. Stalin will see to them. You will not have trouble with them: they will cease to exist. [Keeling, Ralph Franklin.Gruesome Harvest—The Allies’ Postwar War Against the German People. 1947. Reprint. Torrance, Calif.: Institute for Historical Review, 1992. Page 13]

    A Viewer from Gruenberg: As they left town in an endless procession, Polish soldiers fell upon them, beating and flogging them in a blind rage. . . . Robbed of all they possessed and literally stripped of the last of their belongings, . . . these poor creatures trudged along in the wind and the rain, with no roof or shelter over their heads, not knowing where they would find a new abode. [Kaps, Johannes, ed. The Tragedy of Silesia, 1945–46—A Documentary Account with a Special Survey of the Archdiocese of Breslau. Munich: Christ Unterwegs, 1952/53. Page 428]

    Austin J. App: To slice three or four ancient provinces from a country, [Germany] then loot and plunder nine million people of their houses, farms, cattle, furniture, and even clothes, and then . . . expel them “from the land they have inhabited for 700 years” with no distinction “between the innocent and the guilty” . . . to drive them like unwanted beasts on foot to far-off provinces, unprotected, shelterless, and starving is an atrocity so vast that history records none vaster. [App,Austin J.“Mass Expulsions: ‘Tragedy on a Prodigious Scale.” The Barnes Review 2, no. 10 (Oct. 1996). Page 24]
     
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    Nice Projection!

    https://psychcentral.com › pro › exhausted-woman › 2015 › 05 › 15-narcissistic-religious-abuse-tactics
    15 Narcissistic Religious Abuse Tactics - Psych Central
    The narcissist frequently uses their religious position of authority to connive for their own personal benefit which is often financial. They will justify this behavior by saying they deserve...


    All you have proven is that you have a Conspiracy Theory with no hard material evidence to back it up!

    I have been very patiently waiting for anything substantial from you and all you ever give me is naked opinions. Useless to prove anything. :(

    I want to be a believer I really do, but if anything you are convincing me not to believe as a result of the illegitimate argument tactics you demonstrate out here. :(
     
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    Can Jews be Anti-Semitic?Apparently they can.
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-...at-behind-rare-phenomenon-jewish-anti-semites
    Self-hating Jew - Wikipedia
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/self-hating-jews/
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/the-hub/antisemitism-explained-can-jews-be-antisemitic/
    "From the Middle Ages until the present day, there are plenty of examples of Jewish people perpetuating antisemitism, despite being Jews themselves. Sometimes it is what scholars call “internalized racism,” which is something that many minorities, including Jews, have experienced. Other times, Jews attempt to separate themselves from other Jews as a defense mechanism."
     
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    Ah so now Jews are above criticism by other Jews? WOW!

    Well then for sure you are antisemetic for criticizing me! Especially since you arent even a Jew!

    Nice foot shot!
     
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    You insist there have been crimes committed, you failed to make your case with material evidence, a requirement to convict, trying to intimidate me into being a believer in your religion with no material evidence wont work.

    You have just proven you are an antisemite according to your own citation.


    Claim:
    Officer there is a guy that got murdered
    ~What guy
    The guy over there
    ~I dont see a guy over there
    Officer here are 1000 of my friends
    ~Did you see a guy get murdered?
    Yes we all saw it, it was brutal!
    ~But I dont see anyone
    Officer he was murdered we all saw it
    ~Look I dont see anyone where is he
    Officer he was murdered we have all these wirnesses
    ~well take me to him I dont see a body (Corpus Delecti)
    Officer if you dont believe us you are antisemite
    We all saw the man get murdered!
    ~well then show me the damned evidence!
    Officer we all saw it!

    and their religious circular argument goes round and round forever
     
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    See @Tishomingo what you fail to realize is that when you make a case and there is evidence produced to the contrary which I have done starting with Larsen and Barton neither of which found any evidence what so ever of any hydrogen cyanide poisoning you now have a controversy, a valid counter claim. (there are a plethora of claims thrown thoughtlessly around out here by your team but thats a good start)

    Do you have so much as 1 minutes worth of litigation experience in court?

    Tell us what happens next?
     
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