Salvia: a waste

i bought a gram of salvia 15x extract from local headshop and it didnt nothing for me. i even smoked around 2 1/2 bowls in one sitting. just felt like a dry stoned feeling, for like 10 min. No trips to new realities

 

Did you use the right technique? You won't get very much out of it if you smoke it like you'd smoke marijuana.

You have to hold the smoke in for 30 seconds, you have to keep the flame on the bowl for the ENTIRE hit, and it's best if you use a torch lighter.

There is also a possibility that you're a hard-head, though even most hard-heads should be getting decent effects if they are smoking it the right way, with the amount that you smoked.

Don't give up; give it another shot! Salvia has much to teach all of us, and my friends and I on this board will do our best to help you achieve the effects you desire! =)

 

Other thing is ther is no regulation on the market at all realy - a good many suppliers sell bad products - a local head shop sells x20 but it actualy seem plain leaf - I hear this is well common

 

hmm . . . well i did get some 5x extract form a friend who bought it online, and it had the same effects. . . maybe they advertise 15x when its only 5x or worse. hmm maybe ill have to try to get my hands on genuine 15x +

 

you could quite easily be a ''hardhead'' for salvia... some people can never feel any effects from it...

 

this doesnt mean i'd be a "hardhead" for other psycedelics such as acid or shrooms does it?

 

that would break my heart

 

No, that's the only way to get all of the effects.
The temp. of the torch is the only way to get all of the active chems.

 

i think thats a myth - i know people whove gotten effects from reg lighters

 

thats all I have had but you still have to keep the flame on it the whole time torch lighter work better because of the high tem it takes to get the activ cem. the first time I had some I rolled jays after wasting half the bag and being veary disapointed I gave up.about a week later I read the back of the packeg basicly lode big fat bowl in bong torch the fuck out of it hold for at least 30sec. exhale go insane I was blown away


I have turned a lot of people on to salvia a few got pretty scared.becaue they wor not exspecting such a intens thing to happen from something legal.as long as they did it right it triped them.and I was just useing the plane leaf.

 

did you smoke it in a bong or a pipe . bong is the way to go

 

no, don't worry

 

you think that a pipe wouldn't do well? i never smoked on a bong, but a pipe worked for me

 

salvia is something very powerfull...you cant imagine!
It's a key!...
just before waste yur stuff, read about the only way to extact the salvorine and the most important thing : BE ready and decontract...with a sitter cause you dont know how the trip can turn.
read som topics at http://www.psychonaut.com/forum
and...ENJOY

 

there's also a really good user's guide and a shop at
www.sagewisdom.org

 

There should be no discrepancy over whether or not you use a bong. If you do not have a bong, you should not smoke salvia. Pack a healthy sized bowl, and torch it all down in one hit. I've only ever used a bic, never a torch lighter so I have no basis for comparison. I have, however, broken-through on salvia so this method obviously works.

 

I've used a pipe, a bong, a torch lighter, and a regular lighter, in all combinations.

No, it's not like if you use a plain pipe and a plain lighter, that it will be difficult to get powerful effects ... though I can't say that I've ever managed to have a powerful experience when using that combination.

Regular lighter vs. torch/butane lighter? Torch lighter. Why? Salvinorin-A has a very high vaporization temperature. If you use a regular lighter, you have to hold the flame over the bowl for the entire time that you're taking a hit, and you have to keep it on even once the Salvia has "cherried," because the temperatures that are generated just by cherrying alone isn't (by my observation at least) enough to vaporize the salvinorin-A. Also, if the regular lighter ever goes out (running low on fluid, sucking in too hard, etc.) then you have to deal with trying to re-light it, which will usually give the Salvia enough time to smoulder, and you'll waste some salvinorin-A. I've seen too many times where the salvia wasn't burned enough to give the expected experience.

Pipe vs. bong? Bong. Why? As I said above, you need high temperatures to vaporize the salvinorin-A. That means, if you smoke it in a waterless pipe, you're going to get a crapload of really, really hot smoke, which can be very hard to hold in. There is no real advantage to using a bong if you CAN manage to hold it in, but for your own sake, you should use a bong whenever possible.

 

with this i definetly agree! sometimes the smoke i inhale from a pipe is so hot i can't hold it and have to cough

 

sorry hiraku
I am with you on most things but not the torch.

I always use a small glass pipe and regular lighter.
the high vap temp only applies if you want to generate a vapor without inhaling.
once you start to draw the pressure is lowered and salvinorin boils off at a lower temp just like water boils at a lower temp in the mountains.

with the torch you introduce a level of technology that is more complex than required - especially as where the salvianaut goes, one thing you do not need is, more complexity especially the kind that can lead to health hazards like the torches.

 

yeah, most people ive talked to that tried say they just felt paralized for 10 min and blacked out... i wonder what percent of people who try it actually trip like they saw on such sites as erowid.com