Prove to me that astrology makes sense

I am a scientific person and have very serious doubts about astrology, but I won't reject it without proof and research. So here's the thing. If I give you the birth date, time and location of a specific person, what will you be able to tell me about him from your charts? How would it compare with this person's actual history?

For example, there is a person born on January 25th 1938, 9:40AM in Moscow who's life is very well known. What can you tell me about him from this date?

 

according to http://www.astro.com/ here is what I found. I didn't know the name so I put Alex. You mentioned Moscow, Russia so I put that in along with Jan. 25, 1938. I can add more later. For now, see if this matches what you think the actual person is.


Sun in Aquarius, Moon in Scorpio

This astrological position indicates a determined nature in full control of itself. Your feelings are likely to be intense, passionate, and lasting. When wronged you do not rest until your desire for revenge has been satisfied.

You are worldly and knowledgeable in many areas. You are perhaps too positive and assertive of your will, too self-reliant. You pursue your aims inexorably, often using others to achieve your ends. You should meet with success in business or professional work, for you remain steady and hard-working. Love is a very important matter in your life. But power struggles may arise between you and your love object. Your feelings are so intense and your desires so well-aimed that you are likely to become overly demanding.

The key to a more harmonious self lies in channeling some of your inherent self-control to relaxing your will. You could use your knack for investigating and probing to better understand your motivations and psychological make-up.


Ascendant in Aries, Mars in the Twelfth House

At the time of your birth the zodiacal sign of Aries was ascending in the horizon. Its ruler Mars is located in the twelfth house.

Aries is the first sign of the zodiacal belt and its natives seem also desirous of being "first" in all activities with which they happen to be involved. The cardinality of the sign makes you extremely active and capable of displaying ambition, impulsiveness, courage, and boldness in order to satisfy your desire for prominence in the world.

The general course of your life will be filled with many 'ups' and 'downs' and changes conforming very much with the psychological nature of your temperament. Whether you triumph or not in life depends on your ability to develop your most positive inborn qualities and, simultaneously, exert some control over your less favorable characteristics, such as a lack of prudence, and a certain disregard for the feelings and opinions of others.

Aries gives a tendency for its natives to be inclined to politics and public work. You should be successful (or at least attempt to be so) in any work or activity that necessitates pioneering ideas and/or a militant disposition. You also appear to have an ardent attitude in any project that somehow or another involves new concepts or original work and in which you are given a position of leadership. One of your problems is that in your love for achievement in novel projects you tend to destroy old concepts and former contributions which would, perhaps, have been useful for your endeavors. Impulsive, critical, despising mean or dubious acts, you will create many excellent friendships but also important enemies. Your life is rich in passion and ardent love. In sexual matters you are quick, aggressive, and to the point. You also are a lover of pleasures, which you feel with a bright, open, and sparkling character.

Mars, the ruler of your life events, is found in the twelfth house. This position gives the possibilities of an obscure life acting in the shadows. There are dangers of violence surging from occult or disguised enemies that act in the dark. Mars here has one advantage: at a certain point of your life it may become possible to escape from all bonds by acting dramatically, quickly and positively against the restraints imposed by your fate.


Moon in the Seventh House

The Moon was found in the seventh house at the time of your birth.

Exciting romance may occur at an early stage in life. We must warn you, however, that unless modified by further interpretations, the partner may have fluctuating affections.

You're also one of those who throughout the relationship manifests a great variety of personality roles and who seldom shows in intimacy his real nature.


Sun in the Eleventh House

The Sun was found in the eleventh house at the time of birth.

In general, this is a favorable position. Throughout your life you will receive assistance from persons occupying superior positions in life. After middle age there are strong possibilities that you will gain in reputation and esteem through relationships with people of prominence. Destiny may grant you sufficient strength of character and even opportunities to carry out your wishes to their utmost.

Spiritually, you seem to have a loyal disposition and you are straightforward and honestly oriented. You're very well aware, however, of a sense of superiority and dignity.


Venus in the Eleventh House

Venus was found in the eleventh house at the time of your birth. Your aspirations in life are very aesthetically oriented.

You strive for peace and harmony and if it were left up to you the whole world would be more humane, kind, and considerate. In your more personal relationships, Venus gives you the capability of obtaining substantial gain and assistance through your friends, who will desire to assist you with the best of intentions.


Saturn in the Twelfth House

Saturn was in the twelfth house at the time of birth. This planet may place many unpleasant and annoying obstacles in your life, and intensify the feelings you have about the limitations of your environment.

Your professional honor affects your feelings very much and you are well satisfied when things go well. Destiny may have to teach you to tell the difference between fact and fantasy more clearly. Certain complexes nest in your subconscious and show up in your mind as hypersensitivity, wanting to be alone and to do things by yourself so no one will know how you feel. You need a bit of humor and self-confidence.

 

Hm. I'd say it's pretty close, but there is so much information, it could fit a very large percentage of the population. Is there a way to determine which planets are more important than others? And which alignments are more rare than others, or cause special combinations?

 

Well, that is only a sample of a 25-30 page report. But you have to pay for the report. And seeing as I'd be paying for a strangers report, it isn't worth it. I am sure in the other 20+ pages they go more in depth. but check out the site yourself too, it gives his love horoscope, ect...just explore, heh! Input your own data too!

 

Read alice bailey...esoteric astrology... she talks about how it 'works' as a framework for self development...all her books are published online. warnng..they are very heavy duty material, requires reading between the lines

 

The person you are referring to can be easily googled, especially since you mentioned that the person is very well-known. Whoever is "reading" these charts could have easily found pages and pages of information on the life of Vladimir Vysotsky.

 

better be careful ... quite a dangerous glass to look through

existance is much widdderrrr than any science, not to say science is all bad

 

I like www.astro.com. I've done all of my friends' charts there & they are amazed at how accurate they are. I'm skeptical about the 'daily horoscope' thing, but I do think it's right on with personality traits.

 

Somebody here was going to do my chart.I am still waiting.

 

what is your birth date? I can go to the same site and give you a preview

Or you can do the same yourself at the link I provided in my first reply

 

I was born 30/4/60 in the UK at around 10.00 am.

 

okay, a little vauge, with the around 10 thing, but if you aren't sure, I'll try it.

edit: stupid question *blushes* but UK = Great Britian? or England?? cos UK isn't on the list of choices...man do I feel dumb, I'll input England for now.

edit 2: anywho, it says you need a birth town before I can do anything.

 

Henley -on -Thames, Oxfordshire.England.

 

This is a sample but has the key elements. The whole thing is 20-30 pages.




Horoscope Portrait
for Bibly , born on 30 April 1960


The report was generated with the following birth data: male, born on 30 April 1960 at 10:00 am in Oxfordshire, England.


Sun in Taurus, Moon in Gemini

You were born with the Sun in Taurus and the Moon in Gemini. Your Taurean individuality is strong-willed and purposeful. You are warm-hearted and amorous, but you lack mental flexibility.

The Taurean nature is dedicated to the gratification of your physical and psychological needs. Having the Moon in Gemini, however, has determined that your personality role will be oriented more to dealing with intellectual concepts and activities, which you may oppose emotionally.

Others consider you somewhat of an intellectual. Because your mind and body require activity, you will travel and change your residence frequently. Only those who are close to you know you as a stubborn and strong-willed person.

Circumstances (Moon in Gemini) have forced you to earn a livelihood through activities that may conflict somewhat with your real nature. If you can somehow project your stability, it will carry over to your life work and your relationships with others.

Your shifting mind would benefit infinitely from the stability that lies deep within you. Allowing this to permeate throughout will assure success in all you undertake. On the other hand, if you could somehow lend to your internal nature the versatility of your personality, you would achieve a complete harmony.


Ascendant in Cancer, Moon in the Twelfth House

At the time of your birth the zodiacal sign of Cancer was ascending in the horizon. Its ruler the Moon is located in the twelfth house.

Cancer is the fourth sign of the zodiacal belt and its natives are under the rulership of the Moon. Your life will be full of changes and intermittent periods of activity and relaxation. Your vulnerability to external influences makes you subconsciously imitate the manners and ways of those with whom you relate.

In many instances, circumstances will require that you play the role of worldliness and sophistication but under the mask there will exist a very sensitive human being who is easily offended, and also very perceptive of the more subtle influences and impressions, as well as of psychic vibrations.

Cancer gives the tendency to completely retreat when hurt or frightened of a situation. This happens to you often because you tend to interfere in the affairs of others when you are not needed or wanted. Throughout your life, your responses will be emotional rather than rational.

Cancer also gives a tendency for life to be centered in the home and family; your attachment to your private and domestic habits is so strong that without them you could hardly endure. In love matters, you are emotional and gentle.

For the difficult aspects we must warn you against becoming overly preoccupied with trivial details of a psychological nature. Another tendency that you have is to flatter and to criticize carelessly, without regard for the other person's feelings.

Destiny may place you in environments where your natural traits can be best expressed. You will be happier when allowed to be occupied with searching for a person or a thing, though not necessarily in important work.

Your life possesses an aura of peculiar activities and studies realized in out-of-the-way places.

You will either live secretively or possess important secrets of another person. Your mind is greatly influenced by the sea of subconsciousness and there is an inborn love for occultism, mystery, and romantic adventures. On the other side, this position may give you a certain lack of stability and firmness in dealing with others.


Saturn in the Seventh House

Saturn was found in seventh house at the time of birth. In your dealings with others, you are going to present a very cautious personality and you will work slowly towards the achievement of security. The environment will be a very restricting factor in your life; the same limitations that hinder your relationships with others will emerge in a narrowness of reception to your ideas and emotions. This indicates that the key to more spiritual and material development lies in your response to the several tests destined for you which consist of patiently enduring difficulties through human relationships.

You should remember that Saturn does not lend a propensity to be demonstrative in an emotional sense. It does, in those individuals with whom you will start a lifelong relationship, give a sense of duty and stability of emotions. Yet you are going to experience some sorrow throughout your life in a relationship. This is mostly going to consist of the several limitations that this state is imposing upon your personal freedom.

The key to a better integration of your existence lies in the ability to view these obstacles and binds with philosophical resignation.

Note: Saturn is technically near the end of house 6 and is therefore interpreted in house 7.


Saturn Opposition Ascendant

Saturn opposition the Ascendant shows that you are defensive in your associations.

You tend to be so preoccupied with your own affairs that you cannot be too concerned with anyone else's. But at the same time you accuse people of being indifferent to you. The truth is, you are so reserved about projecting yourself into their lives that you give the impression you think yourself better than they are. So they keep their distance and are not likely to warm up to you. Although you have a mind of your own, you are never sure you can exploit your ideas and get a favorable response, which you desperately need.

Because you are more competent than most of your competitors, you will never take on a task you can not handle. Until you try, of course, you will not know this. You secretly fear responsibility, but you are more than able to perform your duties and fulfill your obligations, both to yourself and to others.


Venus in the Tenth House

Venus was found in the tenth house at the time of birth.

You will appear as a person who seeks harmony, inclined as you are to observe the aesthetic value of all things in life, to engage in artistic activities and to possess all that is lovely and beautiful. You have sufficient potential to achieve success in life, especially if your occupation is artistic or musical.

Much of your success is a consequence of applied interest and hard work; you posses merit and ability, and your congenial, intelligent manner produces a very exalted image.

In any case, there are very good possibilities for the acquisition of some social distinction, a good reputation and financial success at some period of your life.


Sun in the Eleventh House

The Sun was found in the eleventh house at the time of birth.

In general, this is a favorable position. Throughout your life you will receive assistance from persons occupying superior positions in life. After middle age there are strong possibilities that you will gain in reputation and esteem through relationships with people of prominence. Destiny may grant you sufficient strength of character and even opportunities to carry out your wishes to their utmost.

Spiritually, you seem to have a loyal disposition and you are straightforward and honestly oriented. You're very well aware, however, of a sense of superiority and dignity.


Moon in the Twelfth House

The Moon was in your twelfth house at the time of birth. Secretly, you enjoy a love of romance and adventure that lends a bit of excitement to your daydreaming.

It is possible that the little popularity that you may enjoy in this life will be from some very reserved and secretive circles where your merits are recognized.

It can be expected that you will be successful in positions that call for solitude or remote locations.

 

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LOL! Guess that didn't sound anything like Bilby!

 

well, you need an exact time...you said anywhere from 10-11 in another post. 10:00 is gonna be vastly different from 10:58...maybe thats why you never got an anwser in the other post.

 

Ok , how long does it take to give birth? -Much longer than the five minutes on TV dramas! So do you count the birth time from when the water breaks or when the umbilical cord is cut? For legal purposes it is usually when the midwife looks at her watch.

 

Syntax,

What happened to this person at age 25 and 3 months?

 

if you doubt astronomical events or planets in space can effect our earth. just take the moon for example, and what we know scientifically....the moon affects our tides, and womens menstral cycles. also it is fact that on full moons psych hospitals, and other institutions have far more intakes than normal. so to me it dosent seem all that unlikely that other planets affect our earth, even if in a more subtle way.