Haiku for vegetarianism

Discussion in 'Poetry' started by Bhaskar, Feb 28, 2005.

  1. Keramptha

    Keramptha Senior Member

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    So yeah, it's not fair
    to eat my flesh like it's meat
    man. Go cook some stew.
     
  2. theforskennynors

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    this guy's a fucking idiot. who said i read books to tell me how to write? come on man, either attack me personally, or just don't bitch at all, don't make up dumb shit. we're all human here, or so i thought. and as far as eating meat goes, do what you want, i don't hate you. i don't hate anybody. it's just a sick fucking animal art joke to eat meat. do i think you're a sick fucking animal if you eat meat? yes. do i hate on it? no, of course not. what good does hate do?

    bhaskar's childhood
    caused his complex for friends
     
  3. Bhaskar

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    first of all, I never said you read books to learn to write. I jus said that I dont.

    Where from this thread did you get that I eat meat? Ive never tasted meat in my entire life. Anyway...

    *shrug*
     
  4. Firebelle

    Firebelle Member

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    No more eating meat
    I want to love animals
    and scoff chocolate!

    As above haiku suggests, I am leaning heavily on my love of chocolate to get me through...I am missing meat now and felt a bit weak the other day, so I ate loads of vegetables and energy food and allowed myself to just smell my friend's takeaway burger *sorry* I am trying hard for you, Bhaskar, and thankyou for my wonderful haiku (regardless of whether they are, in fact, dorky American three-liners or not...and by the way, theforeskennyors, 'dorky' is actually the, um, dorkiest American word you will ever use, so there!).

    As an extra request, theforeskennynors, would you please leave my Bhaskar alone? He is not a fucking idiot; that's such an impersonal criticism...lots of people in this world are idiots, but then lots aren't, and I fear you may have picked the wrong person in Bhaskar. Those of us who take time to listen and learn from others don't bother hurling stupid abuse which has little or no meaning, I listen and learn from Bhaskar regularly and as such I know that he is highy intelligent, not only that but he is NOT a meat-eater, in fact he is completely pro-vegetarianism; he is also tolerant of people who think and live a little differently. Might I suggest YOU take a leaf out of Bhaskar's tree and try some humility?

    Oh, and I did agree with you on one thing, theforskennynors...hate is an impotent weapon, and it doesn't do any good, that's true.

    X
     
  5. Bhaskar

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    my beloved firebell,


    "I am yours," you say
    "And you are mine," I answer.
    In truth, we are one.

    Stick with it! Also I would suggest meat substitutes such as quorn, which taste the same, I am told. a little research at this point would help you considerably.
     
  6. VanAstral

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    meatiest thread ever
     
  7. Bhaskar

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    Tired and tried
    I think I'll write a poem...'coz
    I miss you.


    Ok, so coz isnt a word. Sue me.
     
  8. Syntax

    Syntax Senior Member

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    I will risk sounding like an intolerant jerk when I say...

    Just like poetry is not about abab rhyming, Haiku is not about counting syllables, which is what you are doing. Just having the right 5-7-5 thing going doesn't make it a hiku, stop raping Basho and go do something useful like smoking pot.
     
  9. Bhaskar

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    I do what I choose to do, you do what you choose to do. I dont tell you to stop smoking pot and write bad haiku, do I?
     
  10. Syntax

    Syntax Senior Member

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    Actually, I never smoked a joint in my life but let's leave that aside. I'm not telling you what to do, I am just suggesting that you do something more useful than write what is not even real haiku. Of course, you have the freedom to continue writing them as you please, but I believe that I have the right to comment. Or does the freedom of speech thing only work when you do it?
     
  11. gdhmomchild

    gdhmomchild Duct tape abuser

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    One entry found for haiku.
    Main Entry: hai·ku
    Pronunciation: 'hI-(")kü
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural haiku
    Etymology: Japanese
    : an unrhymed verse form of Japanese origin having three lines containing usually 5, 7, and 5 syllables respectively; also : a poem in this form usually having a seasonal reference -- compare TANKA

    One entry found for tanka.
    Main Entry: tan·ka
    Pronunciation: 'tä[ng]-k&
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Japanese
    : an unrhymed Japanese verse form of five lines containing 5, 7, 5, 7, and 7 syllables respectively; also : a poem in this form -- compare HAIKU
    ____________________________________________________

    Syntax...I would love to understand what your actual complaint is? If you are trying to make a point. I missed what it is exactly....the material that the haiku form is being used for? Well, to each his own. I didn't know there was some hard fast rule about content...

    As for theforskenguy...ramble on dude (and I do mean ramble), all you do is help bring this thread back up to the front,lol.

    p.s. thanks B~made me smile
     
  12. Syntax

    Syntax Senior Member

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    Well, it is technically a haiku, just in the same sense as the following is a poem:

    "Animals are good
    Animals are nice
    They are not food
    Go eat some rice"

    But I am not gonna publish that as anything but as an example, because it's shit. Just having the general structure of a poem of a specific type doesn't really make it that poem. The point of a haiku is to make an observation, and to convey a complex thought in a short amount of space (and by the way, the English haiku is quite silly really, since in Japanese it's possible to convey a lot more information and emotion in less words).

    "Strange meat eating girl
    if you stop I will write you
    a poem every day."

    Is not an interesting observation. It doesn't have much meaning, and doesn't provoke strong emotion. It's just words that happen to say something, very simple and basic, in the structure of a haiku.

    If you paint stripes on a horse, does it make it a zebra? No zoologist would say so. But some person could point out and say "A zebra is defined as 'A horse-like animal with stripes'. I see a horse-like animal with stripes, therefore I see a zebra."

    P.S that is not to say that haikus have to deal with seasons, like the original ones did. You can use the haiku form to say anything you like, but it should still be done gracefully. Just sticking the haiku label of something that has the right structure is silly.
     
  13. Bhaskar

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    First of all emotion and meaning in poetry is so subjective that you cannot say that something is empty and meaningless just because it has no meaning to you. The person I was writing for got the message, it meant something to her.

    If you have trouble calling it haiku, then fine, it is not haiku. I never realised people around here were so hung up on labels.
     
  14. Keramptha

    Keramptha Senior Member

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    aawwwww.

    technical smechnical.

    theres meaning in my left sock. btw did u ever read that poem about socks by ...some woman iforget..
     
  15. Syntax

    Syntax Senior Member

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    Alright, could you please describe the deep hidden meaning of your haiku? I mean, the poem I wrote above also has "meaning" but I think we can all agree that it sucks. I am not talking about labels here, you could call it a cream and butter cupcake for all I care.
     
  16. gdhmomchild

    gdhmomchild Duct tape abuser

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    LOL~* If we were that serious minded, we would be on a much more serious minded poetry board. Haiku threads come up from time to time in here and most will not suit your esthetic nature of what a haiku is. Hell, a good portion of the poetry would never fly for that matter, hehe. And Bhaskar, labels evidently mean alot to some. Check out how many threads happen on whats a hippie, you aren't hippies, ectectect, in the hippies forum. *giggles* We do our best and at least try to enjoy ourselves whatever it is we are doing. If we are in technical error, so is most everything posted here for one reason or another. If this thread is fun and helps a friend in the process, whats the harm. ((((((( b and firebell ))))))) I remain steadfast, an omnivoire! *bites a cheezyburger w/fried onions, lettuce, tomato sammich*
     
  17. Bhaskar

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    Meaning does not have to be deep, nor hidden. It only needs to be seen.
     
  18. Firebelle

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    Syntax, I understand the meaning of Bhaskar's haiku perfectly. And it meant a lot to me, not just for what it is but for what it promised...Momchild has the picture, alright. And yes, if a man can have gender realignment surgery, put on lipstick and a dress and call himself a woman, then why could a horse not bedeck itself with stripes and declare to be a zebra? You are entering the realms of what something is against what that something appears to be - and whether or not what something appears to be should really be the definement of what that something actually is. I agree with Bhaskar, that meaning need not be deep or hidden...I don't even believe meaning has to be seen...perhaps felt, or just known in some way.

    Bhaskar, I picked up the messages you left on my phone, thank you so much...I will endeavor to call you soon, but I won't just yet because I lost my voice owing to a nasty cold :( Maybe I will call you when my voice is on the cusp of fully returning, so that I might sound throatier and sexier than I otherwise would ;) Here's a hakiu for you:

    My voice cannot, yet
    My heart continues to sing
    Your beautiful name.

    Love and Kisses, from your Firebelle X
     
  19. Bhaskar

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    You say definement
    when the correct word for it
    is definition :p

    Sing not my name, love,
    take the name of Sri Krishna
    lovliest of all.
     
  20. Firebelle

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    Oh my, I did didn't I? 'Definement': how silly! If I didn't know better I would think I was just making up words...

    And Sri Krishna, I wouldn't ever sing that because I am not religious...not in the traditional sense. The only religion I follow is my own.
     

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