China to EU: Russian defeat in Ukraine may push US to target Beijing next

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  1. Ajay0

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    China told the EU that that a Russian defeat in Ukraine may push US to target Beijing next.

    https://www.business-standard.com/w...oses-ukraine-war-eu-talks-125070400230_1.html

     
  2. Piney

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    So. A ceasefire is a defeat?
    The killing is to continue?
    The attachment shows a lot of clarity beneath a passive/aggressive mumbo/ jumbo.
     
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  3. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    At the insistence of the banks, Donald Duck has been trying to collapse the Chinese economy, and make them pay, with different right-wing rags constantly suggesting China is already a madhouse. The simple truth is, he's lucky to have made the slightest impact on their economy and, at that, only by slowing down the entire world economy, and threatening to destroy his own.

    China is basically saying Donald Duck has reached the end of his rope, and will either hang himself, or be assassinated. The sad truth is, the US navy is in no shape for WWIII, and can barely maintain the ships we have, Britain is just as bad, and NATO is a joke in bad taste, and are only now getting their shit together. In other words, China is about to rule both the waves and outer space, with their seven trillion dollar larger GDP, which is about to grow even larger and swallow the entire world economy.

    Note that India is buying Russian oil to help fund the war, and telling the US to screw themselves. As we say in the US, you have to know which side of your bread is buttered, and the pendulum is swinging towards China. If the war in the Ukraine ended tomorrow, the Chinese would help the Russians to start another one, along with anyone else interested. Russia's entire economy is now on a war footing, and it will take years to change it again. Either you have the money, or you have the guns, and Russia has always had guns, but can't hang onto their money.

    The Chinese are famous for their creative business strategies.
     
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  4. newbie-one

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    Notions of China playing the victim card would be laughable, if it were not also offensive and outrageous.

    China's communist government are the worst bastards who have ever lived.

    The CCP exterminated an estimated 45 million Chinese under Mao alone.

    They sponsored the Cambodian Genocide, the Darfur Genocide, and are directly responsible for the ongoing genocide against the Uyghers which has featured mass rape camps, sexual torture, slave labor, forced labor, forced sterilization, and other horrors.

    They are responsible for the imprisonment, torture, and execution of political prisoners, and the harvesting and sale of their internal organs.

    They bear full responsibility for the imprisonment of Nobel Laureate Liu Xiaobo, and are at least partially responsible for conditions that led to his death.

    While Covid may have arisen spontaneously, or via an accidental lab release, they suppressed information about human-to-human transmission and allowed international travel after they knew about it. They suppressed the supply of reagents, research materials, and information about the genome. An estimated 18 to 36 million people died world-wide from Covid, and it caused huge, negative economic and societal impacts. While Covid would have probably caused many of those things regardless of how they responded, they also made all of these problems much worse than they might have been.

    They engage in massive espionage, cyber hacking, intellectual property theft, CCP backed fraud campaigns, intimidation of journalists, electoral interference, and violent attacks against anti-CCP protesters in the West.

    They make numerous territorial incursions against their neighbors, and routinely harass them.
     
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    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    As for the notion of Beijing being "targeted" by the US, a better way to put it would be that the invasion on Ukraine was a planned distraction to make it easier for China to invade Taiwan. That is essentially the "targeting" they would like to avoid.

    I also find it odd that an Indian would post anything even vaguely supportive of Beijing, given that they have significant responsibility for the estimated 4.7 million Indians who died from Covid (see the post above), and that the Chinese government has made illegal claims to Indian territory, including Ladahk and Arunchal Pradesh, and have already defacto annexed portions of India's ally Bhutan.
     
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  6. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Money talks, and bullshit walks. Every country is heavily censoring their news, and putting one spin after another on the war, according to whatever they believe people will buy.

    India has nothing to gain from supporting the US, unless all out war breaks out, and many invest in them today simply because they oppose the US.
     
  7. Ajay0

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    I have not posted this in support of China, but that the world's second superpower is backing Russia to win the war with its extensive resources. Russia defeated and submitting to terms by US-Nato would mean that Russia will soon become an adversary to China as well and the Chinese are determined to avoid this scenario. I had posted this theme earlier as well.

    A protracted war between US-Nato and Russia which would weaken each other substantially would obviously be in China's interests. This war has the potential to be a white elephant for the US-Nato as well in the coming future, and this can make things easier for China to take back Taiwan.

    India has good relations with the EU and have recently had naval exercises with them. India also has a strategic and close relationship with France.
     
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    India, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Ghana, Brazil, even Saudi Arabia and many other countries including EU are all importing cheap oil and gas from the Russians.

    December 2024 — Monthly analysis of Russian fossil fuel exports and sanctions – Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air

    However Indian imports of oil is inferior to the gas and oil that Europe is importing from Russia even now three years after the war, citing possible inflation and consequent hardship as a reason. Also the biggest customers of cheap Indian refined oil processed from russian crude are the americans and europeans .

    And more interestingly, in 2024 the EU spent 39% more on Russian fossil fuel imports than it set aside for Ukraine. This means that the EU is funding Russia more than it is funding Ukraine.

    If it is a matter of principle, they should have cut off russian oil and gas in the first day of the invasion itself, but they have not done it even after three years as they know that the resultant inflation and higher prices in europe will create widespread resentment among the public, and possible election fiascos.

    Statistics shows that thousands of europeans and americans die of hypothermia even now due to homelesness or lack of cheap fuel to warm their homes. Since they are poor, western governments and leadership obviously ignore them as a mere statistic and focus on expanding military alliances citing human rights violations and democracy in faraway countries .

    War is more exciting than peace so the priority would be for expensive military equipment and logistics, and not for the poor and homeless in their countries left to their sorry lot and freezing to death.
     
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  9. wooleeheron

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    Economic warfare is no different from armed conflict. Asians in particular, see no difference whatsoever between taking away a man's ability to earn a living and shooting him in the head.

    The essentials are that every developed world population is imploding. Predictably, as their economies increase, all the money floats to the top and they start heavily censoring half of reality.

    Today, China, Russia, and the US are all facing imploding populations, and watching each other closely to see when their population collapses altogether. With all the illegal and legal immigrants, the US will slowly turn darker in color as Elon Musk blames his customers for not making more babies.
     
  10. newbie-one

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    I don't see evidence that if Russia is compelled to end the war in Ukraine, that it would necessarily lead to Russia becoming an enemy of China. If anything Russia has become extremely dependent on China.
     
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  11. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The only thing that can resolve the situation is if someone invents a new economy, or China becomes the first world government, after blowing everything up,
     
  12. Toker

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    War is also more profitable than peace if you're in the right business, no matter who you support or who wins...the war machine books billions.

    You forgot to mention what China has done to Tibet.

    Yes, China wins so long as they don't have to fight. They can just sell weapons and tech to all sides, and buy resources like oil dirt cheap! Keep the war going, tie up military and economic resources of other countries while you build the most powerful and modern military the world has ever seen.
     
  13. wooleeheron

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    It was the development of quantum mechanics that led to WWII, with physicists playing around with the math for the first time for about fifteen years, before all hell broke loose. Germany had all the scientists, and China is building up their sciences and technology, counting on AI to accelerate their progress.

    What's happened, is we've accumulated a century of scientific data, roughly the size of the island of Hawaii, and everyone has been counting on AI to sort through all that data, and reinvent reality as we know it, because the geeks have failed to produce a theory of everything. Already, any supercomputer today worth the name, is powerful enough to crunch the numbers for a theory of everything, and the reason we don't have one, is because people are too stupid, and the AI are showing them the error of their ways. Academia has focused on whatever the banks will support, but reality doesn't favor the banks, or agree with academia. The whole house of cards is coming down, and the question is how hard this one's going to hurt.
     

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