http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200405/cmbills/061/05061.i-iii.html So control orders can now be imposed on "suspected terrorists" What is a suspected terrorist?.. The sunset clause has been quashed... yet a review after a certain amount of time has been imposed. What are your thoughts? BBC R4 22nd Feb:
My thought is that since you're questioning this bill, I suspect you might be a terrorist. But seriously, I'd like to know what is required for one to suspect one of being a terrorist. I mean, anyone can make an accusation regarding this. How does one judge whether a person is potentially a terrorist or not?
claire or any one ... do you know if the bill had any more/less time too be debated than was normal .. it is said this bill was rushed through but i don't know ??? I half heard something about it actualy having more time for the actual intricities to be debated than the original bill itself ?.
I think this bill is terrible. It removes rights under law that have been established here for centuries. You can now be effectively placed in house arrest and never even be told what the evidence against you consists of. There is no right to trial, and no time limit. It seems to contravene basic human rights. The presumption of innocence until proven guilty has also been thrown out of the window. Ok - so at present it is only likely to be used against terror suspects, but times change, goverments change. This bill sets a very dangerous precedent. It could concievably be used in the future by a govt, wishing for example to lock away political opponents, or anyoine they find undesirable. It's another nail in the coffin of a so called 'free' country.
You know... this is the first time that I can remember cheering on the House of Lords... Proof that New Labour have finally achieved their long sought after conservative status... Fly...
It'll still have to go back to the Lords again, so all's not completely lost. It is a worrying Bill though, and a really dangerous potential development in a supposedly 'free' society....
hi just spotted this and guess what........ read on.... the socialist paper report 7 to 13 april .... mick griffiths one of our socialists party general election candidats, for wakefield was one of six poeple protesting at the attacks on pensions,during the queens visit to wakefield on maundy thursday... whilst they were shouting {decent pensions for all, no charity} the police surrounded them and ripped up thier banners and then demanded their details then the police issued our members with stop and search orders.... then arrested our members {who were on a peaceful protest ) they were detained until the queen left the city. they were locked up for 6 hours after the queen had left ,(imperial shits.} they were released and charged UNDER SECTION 5 OF THE PUBLIC ORDER ACT..... for causing distress to the public...mmmm they had their finger prints and DNA took and photos...... and charged 80 pounds fixed penilty...fine..... our socialists members will not be letting the police get away with this one, not after the may day court case after all the protesters were inpounded those few years ago and this court case has just finished. the public who saw this happen to the above members been sending complaints about the actions of the police ....... this is what the terrorist bill is doing its creating a mythe about protesters that terror comes from being outspoken about this capitalists system ie iraq.......twin towers.......actions of others.... so the freedom of speech is being taken away...for all humans and what the USA and UK say is terror,well look at thier history of terror all other cultures..etc how is uses fear over its people the reality is that ,the dolar and the pound are the terrorists....spreading around the globe working workers to the grave dictating a reality of lies, and wars that are for profit and capitalism as it stands so terror is the force of capitalism and used against those who unfortunalty need to fight back.... so peace will never come from war. only more fear more profit more divide.... thats what this terror act has created more misunderstandings more worry about what a terrorist is people will always fight back with what ever means they feel needed to show the world what their point is or opinion......is. anyway lovenpeace from saff be whole
This is a disgusting and immoral law, it means that people can be detained without trial which is completely outrageous and contravenes human rights. Black bill blake - right on man, i totally agree!
No critism.. i just wondered if you could point me in the right direction to get some more info on the events you speak of ..the arrests that is. I can't at this moment agree from what you say that its enough to get so worked up about..ok that was a little critsism, sorry.
Hmmm...this bill sucks. It's put me off labour quite a bit actually (the Iraq disaster did but for me this another nail in the coffin). Think I might have to vote them out when I'm able to (I've recently applied for voting status). It may be four years before I can vote but better late than never, I just hope I'm not too late.
hi there im worked up alright the socialists in question are trying to change our world with opening up the reality about the capitalists ideas for humans.. and they are causing wars class divide arrests of people who are helping others.. so the change will come .... anyway to find out about this activity go to www.socialistsparty.org.uk or try to find someone where you live and buy a paper it was in lasts weeks so maybe look on site, thank you lovenpeace from saff we do many demos, marches, and activties around the world to help break the capitalists world for profit, system next thing is the G8 summit this is a must to attend and show our fighting peaceful will against this system............
Hi there I don't quite swing that way .. but i do apreciate the information. your link did not work ? http://www.swp.org.uk/ http://www.swp.org.uk/RESOURCE/resource.htm I suppose it was the above one you meant .. The only thing that i could actualy agree with is 'drop the debt'.. and the Rover closure because i am trying to understand why the goverment are getting grief ? and how could they justify giving 1 billion to keep it afloat anyway ? (now the chinese are gone) .. I am not into the Anti war stuff Again thanks... My learning curve begins .......*cough*
Not a huge fan of respect ... infact i can't stand them to be honest. http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/ 'hooray' we are on the same page now.. i can check it out ..
hi there great theres lots to see world wide activity that for the fairness of living also the socialists woman socialists students etc... enjoy the info. lovenpeace from saff ps if only we can help forward our beliefs then we may create an equal living standards for the world wide workers humans and most of all enjoy our earth..
