Global warming is now irreversible

The latest cheerful news on this.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050317/sc_nm/environment_climate_dc_1

I have a lady friend in Hawaii who told me that as a young girl in the 60's she and her friends used to skip on some stones in shallow sea-water off the beach of Kailua across to a tiny island the kids played on.
She said those stones are no longer visable but are now submerged by the sea.

 

OH GOD NO!!!!




you mean I won't have to sit through eight god damned months of B U L L S H I T winter before I can go outside in shorts?!!!

 

dear god! sign the fucking kyoto!

 

lets be honest even if America was in Kyoto it wouldnt make a huge difference, Kyoto is more to make politicians feel good about themselves. No one is going to make a real difference until its too late, that the way humans operate.

 

Kyoto is a horrible idea.

 

Kandahar, why do you say that?

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather have normal (well, what I'm used to) weather than a good economy. It seems like the only ones who really benefit from the economy are the rich.

 

Kyoto doesnt really reduce pollution. It just trades it, so acutally America buys rights to pollute and nothing changes. Poor countries sell their right to produce pollution but do it anyway cos no one really know show much is being produced. Its a way for politicians to do nothing with a good conscience instead of doing nothing with a bad conscience. The world would e a better place without it because it would mean politicians couldnt say they were doing something. The only reason to sign Kyoto is to make Bush lookbad, which i suppose some would say is reason enough.

 

It's a matter of economic priorities. For every dollar we spend on something like Kyoto, it means spending a dollar less on something else.

Kyoto is simply not a cost-efficient way of making the world a better place. It will cost millions of dollars per life that Kyoto could potentially save. For a few hundred dollars, we could feed a hungry person for a year or prevent a case of AIDS transmission. Of all the ways we could spend money to save lives and make the world a better place, Kyoto ranks very very low.

I'm not claiming that global warming doesn't exist or that humans aren't causing it (we very obviously are). Maybe some day we'll have the technology to cheaply reduce global warming, and if that's the biggest problem we have to worry about then the future will be a golden age indeed. But for now, Kyoto is not and should not be a high priority for the governments of the world.

 

Kyoto is very poorly constructed, the credit sharing scheme makes it to where rich nations which produce many greenhouse gases can buy credits from poorer nations which don't produce much CO2, but definatly aren't enviro friendly.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5301532.html

More over, theres very little evidence that this owuld do much to slow global warming. New studies are suggesting that with even drastic global cutbacks in CO2 emmisions, the earth would warm for hundreds of years.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4539936

The money used for Kyoto would be put to much better use investing in more eco friendly fuels like H2 cells, and fusion power.

 

With Kyoto, third world countries are essentially exempt for several years, including China and India. This treaty compromises developed mations economies, and "eco-friendly" nations like Canada and Australia, as well as others, are considering withdrawal or limited involvement. Even Bill Clinton knew this treaty is pretty much worthless. China produces nearly as much CO2 as the US, and will likely overtake it in the coming years, through rapid industrialization. All kyoto is about is allowing politicians to say they're doing something about the CO2 problem, which has yet to be correlated to "global warming", assuming that this phenomenon is related to humans at all. The mean global suface temperature was higher than now from 2 to 100 million years ago, with several dramatic fluctuations occurring between 2 million years ago and to the present. Obviously, humans were not responsible for these climate conditions. While there is no harm in reducing CO2 emissions, scarce resources could be better used addressing proven problems, rather than potentially mis-diagnosed ones. There is just as much evidence that these climate changes are part of a larger pattern of global climate change as it is anthropogenic. Many of the global warming scenarios are based on models, highly susceptible to incorrect, manipulated, or eroneous data input. The problem is, most of the research $$ into the subject are made available from organizations interested in demonstrating the existence of the CO2-global warming hypothesis. Market forces are already working to reduce CO2. Environmental protection dollars are better spent elsewhere.

 

Under Kyoto, nations like Canada have to buy emisions credits from places like Russia... if thats not enough of a joke.

Canada's the most eco friendly country on Earth, Russia is a major polluter.

The emissions credits program under Kyoto is abusurd.

 

We create more garbage by weight per person than any other nation!!
We're no. 1, we're no. 1, top of the world!

And out of ten provinces, BC is the national leader in that same category, so I am a member of the garbagiest of the garbagiest. We waste like no others. Y'all can't throw out trash like we can. We are the champions....
but its good to know we are also the eco kings.

 

since we are supposedly the greatest country in the world, why the hell don't we start developing effective fuels other than fossil fuels. dear God, please answer me that one.

 

I wonder why we let approximately 50 000 children die every single day for lack of food and basic medical care. That would be a better use of our wealth. I would love to hear what that would cost as a percentage of the military budget. If it is over 1 % I would be shocked.

 

Well if you really want to see pollution, go to India. I was there last year, and while most of the people still get about on bikes that is all going to change in the next few years as India develops a middle class.

The cars and motorbikes they drive now would hardly meet California emission standards, in fact there don't seem to be any standards at all - the Indica, the Indian made car, makes the Yugo look like a Lexus.

I understand we are going to have the same problem in China as their billion plus population is now learning to drive ...

 

Very interesting.How does Japan compare?They are legendary for their tripple packaging.

 

Well it seems the real problem is there is no central authority on the planet to deal with greenhouse gas emissions, and plenty of vested-interest local companies that don't give a crap for the planet in the long term.

Kyoto was a photo-op, with idiots like Al Gore in attendance, for God's sake.


Forget about the UN, a wholly corrupt, inept and worthless "international organ of peace", subsidized mostly by the US taxpayer.

The international court of the Hague is a toothless tiger, promising nothing and delivering less.


Nothing will happen until it is certain a disaster well beyond repair is looming, and then taxes will increase. Typical of humans.

 

Kyoto - another junket?

 

Can you prove to me global warming exists and explain why it is bad, or good?