13 year old sentenced to stoning to death in Iran for immorality!

a 13 year old girl has been sentenced to be stoned to death in iran they recently hanged a girl of 16 before they hanged her the judge raped her

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4812

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/KooroshAfshar41018.htm
video of stoning
http://apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

 

Thats the cruelest execution method I have ever seen. Pretty damn disturbing.

 

I hate ALL fundamentalists.....outrageous.

 

Lets hope and pray that Bush once he gets relected he will go to war with this heathen, barbaric country. And crush them under the power of freedom. Lets all hold hands and bow our heads and pray they will be liberated like our brothers in Iraq.

 

Oh yes, so lets compound the death by dropping bombs on them as well, what wonderfully compassionate thinking you offer!

How is it, that fundamentalists of other nations are the filth of the earth to our Bush supporting warmongering contributors, yet our own rabid fundamentalists with their demonstrable intention to attack other nations, fabricate lies, betray the principles of freedom and justice (enshrined in our Constitution and Bill of Rights), and declare themselves chosen by God (despite how flagrantly their actions contradict the very biblical injunctions of the God they claim has ordained them) are continually cheered on?

Our nation needs to get its own practice of participatory pluralistic democracy in order before presuming to speak for any other peoples or nations.

Foreign invasion and occupation wont bring liberty, only a new taskmaster. Middle Eastern nations recognise this all too clearly, its time our smugly insulated populace recognised it as well.

 

Actually yea, history has shown it can.


But for the original topic, I'm a full supporter of the death penalty, but that is no way for a person to be put to death no matter what their crime.

 

Do enlighten us as to where successful democratisation through invasion has taken place?

If you suggest Japan and Germany, I advise you to check your history again. Both had pre-existing indigenous experience with democratic processes prior to any foreign invasion.

Deomcracy can only arise from the will of the indigenous population, it can not be imposed. The very notion is nothing short of thinly veiled tyranny.

 

do you disagree that a society who kills a woman for adultery and being impregnanted by her brother is the filth of the earth? Oh yeah, not to mention RAPES the girl before they kill her...what a shining light we could all learn from.

 

I don't think that he was defending their actions.

 

There's a big difference between taking issue with individual cases of injustice but recognising that lasting change must arise from the will of those so governed themselves and suggesting that invading, bombing and occupying them will bring about social harmony, justice and real democracy (read: subsequently imposing upon them a leadership WE deem acceptable). Coming from those like yourself the latter is a particularly frightening and hypocritical suggestion given the fundamentalism currently deemed acceptable to lead in Washington.

Like it or not, it is not our society nor our government nor our culture and presuming that they would welcome foreign dictats as any alternative shows clearly that the warmongering crowd truly has learned nothing either from recent nor from longer term history.

Perhaps I should remind you how vehement were the responses to the actions of many Guardian readers in writing to US voters about the US elections. If other nations are told they have no right to offer their views to US voters, where does the right wing get off presuming the moral authority to go even further in sanctioning militaristic action against any other nation?

 

this SHOULDN'T be happening over there, and it sucks and yes it pisses a lot of us off but come on..we can't go bombing every country, and go to war with every country based on things like this..we just CAN'T..we would be killing tons of innocent people and what would that prove..that we would be in another war and be stuck there just like the war in Iraq? Get real people and wake up, we are stuck there for another 5 years at least, and the ELECTIONS over there won't happen in January..We can't go around trying to be bad asses of the world.

 

As the saying goes, "he who defines the terms wins the argument". Lick is a student of this sly approach, obviously.

But Lick cannot define the terms for us. Japan and Germany were totalitarian, militarist, fascist states enthusiastically supported by their citizens up to US occupation. But the end of US occupation saw them democratic, prosperous and free. These facts are inconvenient for Lick, but they are still facts, and he cannot "define" them away.

Did Korea have a democratic history before the US occupation? Did Kosovo or Bosnia? Iraqi Kurdistan? Is it "frightening and hypocritical" that we brought democracy to these countries? Would it be "frightening" if we tried to bring social harmony and justice to Sudan by stopping the janjaweed? Or are you telling us it would be wrong to "issue a dictat" that they end their genocidal war?

 

Lick dude was being sarcastic... Calm down, go read a book or something.

 

listen to the little girl in the forrest....

 

When did Japan have a brush with democracy? Do the best of my knowledge they hadn't, had any form of democratic or republican government since the before the Shoguns.

 

the taisho democracy...thats what i assume he is talking about.

 

Never heard of that, can;t say i have read deep into Jap history though. I'll have to check that out

 

ya know i think the whole human race is just disgusting!

 

Oh fuck... my god...

 

Crucifixion is worse and it’s in the Koran as a punishment for people who fight against Islam, there are videos of crucifixion also of alternative hands and feet being cut off from Sudan.

It’s the sort of thing Mohammed did he was a sadist megalomaniac psychopath, but for some crazy reason lots of people believe he was the most holy man that ever lived.

This may have something to do with the fact that people who tell the truth about what he got up to end up being murdered.
But the record is there in Islamic scripture

Iran is a country that understands the concept of democracy they have elections only problem is the mullahs pick who can stand for election and then vet what they can vote for.

From the Islamic standpoint you can only have democracy where it doesn’t conflict with something god has told you to do , so our idea of full democracy goes against the core values of the religion.

You have Muslim majority country’s that don’t stone people or crucify but.
As the religion gets more powerful it tries to drag the country closer to the core values.

The core values aren’t going to change or be reformed, because for the people who tried to change things they would have no basis in scripture, and it would be extremely personally dangerous for them to attempt .