19 Reasons why the Federal Reserve is at the heart of our economic problems

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  1. broony

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    It's very important for Americans to understand some of the most important reasons for our debt. They must learn what the powers of the Federal Reserve have at hand. It seems that most Americans don't understand how the Reserve has such an impact on us. It is not a light subject by any means, and can be hard for an individual to understand information when the very people who control it, keep it as secret as possible.

    Americans get angry at our Democrats and Republicans and other public leaders for the economic crash that is all around us. "the truth is that the institution with the most power over our economic system is the Federal Reserve." Try to understand that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank.

    The other 17 reasons can be found here.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...erve-is-at-the-heart-of-our-economic-problems
     
  2. Individual

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    Control of the money and early education of the youth. Perhaps it's too late already?
     
  3. broony

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    Its not too late, but we are running out of time. We must come together locally and fight nationally. People are waking up to the corruption, but its not happening fast enough.

    I hope everyone who view's this thread, can get a chance to read all 19 reasons. Then pass it along. We must continue to fight.
     
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    empires always crumble..
     
  5. Individual

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    For the most part here, I think you're talking to the lost generation(s). Too many people have become addicted to government dependency, and have become the most sought after voter base in opposition to the more productive members of the society who are all that keeps government running.
     
  6. Balbus

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    19 Reasons Why The Federal Reserve...Is At The Heart Of Our Economic Problems By: Michael Snyder, Featured Liberty News Radio Columnist

    I agree, Greenspan was a complete jerk and a fool – but he was a neo-liberal jerk and a right wing libertarian fool, he was a perfect example of what happens if you try to move toward a ‘free market’ system.

    Free market = Plutocratic Tyranny
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=353336&f=36


    There never has been and there never will be a ‘free market system’ for the very reason described in

    Free market = Plutocratic Tyranny
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=353336&f=36


    There is an argument that has been set out here several times that corporatism comes about because the market isn’t free enough.

    I’d say, don’t get fooled again.

    The reality is that any move toward free market principles strengthens the hands of wealth and it that route continues to be taken wealth gets strong enough to corrupt the system to its own wishes.

    To me the ‘free market’ model always seemed like a lie, a con game meant to fool the gullible. This was because it proponents seem to be claiming that they were a complete model that could deal with boom or bust, when in fact it wasn’t anything of the sort, it was in fact not even half a model, it wasn’t very good in boom times (except for wealth) and didn’t have anyway of dealing with busts.

    That is why when the neo-liberal model inevitably fails Keynesian ideas are brushed off and used. All the supposed supporters of neo-liberal ideas like Nixon, Reagan, Bush and many others all turned to Keynesian ideas when the free market ones failed.

    So you end up with the untenable – Keynesian ideas in the low periods meaning the general population pays for the recovery and neo-liberal ideas in the up time which not only create the conditions for a down turn to happen but also means that wealth gains the profits and the general population gain little.

    So why did such a bad model gain prominence?

    It was funded and promoted. It opponents failures were screamed loudly its own failures were white washed over or spined to look like others failures (the old chestnut being that failure was due to the system not being ‘free’ enough) while even the tiniest success on its part were trumpeted as a triumphs.

    (see ‘A brief history of neoliberalism’ or ‘The shock doctrine’ for more details)

    Now some argue that some strands of ‘free market’ thinking were always about creating a corporatist system but others are pure but that doesn’t seem to fit in with the history and it certainly doesn’t explain why there are still many on the right who cling passionately to free market ideas.

    I think many people became corrupted along the way just as the system was, but the problem wasn’t the type of ‘free market’ solution; it was the free market solution.

    Because all free market systems favour wealth, the freer a ‘market system’ becomes the more wealth takes over power until a tipping point is reached and that’s when wealth re-orders things to its own interests and if left unchecked forms a tyranny of the wealthy.

    So in fact there never has been a totally and completely ‘free market’ because long before that could be achieved wealth has taken over and taken control, subverting the levers of government to do its bidding.

    As observed in ‘The Predator State’ by James K. Galbraith about wealth’s recent behaviour
    Oh wealth and it’s cronies still claim that a ‘free market’ is what they want and what would ‘really make things work’ properly. You only have to look at all those well financed free market think tanks and well paid lobbyists still out there and unbelievably still being listened to and taken seriously even when what they have been claiming for has only ever resulted in wealth becoming more wealthy and powerful and the supposed ‘freer’ system coming more under there control and corrupted to their interests.

    The mirage of a real ‘free market’ is a trap set up by wealth to ensnare the gullible.


    Because take that road and long before the destination is ever reached the real drivers take a fork to somewhere completely different.
     
  7. broony

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    End the Fed. Its almost been 100 years since its existence. It was stopped before because of Andrew Jackson. Learn so we can again end this horrible trap. As more countries fall into the capitalism empire, the value on there homeland will be in trouble. With the fed buying over more and more with federal reserve notes, debt will become a global scale we have not seen yet. Unless we learn about the fed, and end it. All ages part of it.

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  9. broony

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    If you don't talk to lost generations as well you are only slowing yourself down more. If you get through to them they may teach the upcoming generations the truth, not false manipulated illusional lies. If it works, awesome. If it doesn't well you are right where you started, i don't see losing anything if you at least try.
     
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    “I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.” - Thomas Jefferson

    Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild - “I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man that controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.”

    Balbus -
    It is one in the same. The corporatist system is funded by the fed itself. It is trapped since its part of the system.

    Their never has been a 'free market' and their never will be as long as the global system is monetary.

    You can never have a 'free market' if you are in a capitalist, communist, socialist, fascist system because wealth and power always turn into corruption due to always having the agenda to make maximum profits. Human history shows this back to the time of and before christ.

    You will never have a 'free market' when your economy is a monetary based system. Which almost the entire world is, and always has been. Their will always be someone with more power than the other, which turn against the competitor because of debt. The fed, always has, and always will produce money from debt. If you are on that debt side wether you like it or not, you are not free, it doesn't matter what you think about 'free market' it does not exist.

    Global slavery is at a all time high in human history because of the monetary system. It will not go down either. As long as the fed exists, more debt/slavery will only grow.

    I know this list has grown, i'm having trouble finding the links though.

    http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/the-federal-reserve-history-of-lies-thievery-and-deceit/
     
  11. Individual

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    While it never hurts to talk, it seems that most are content to hear what they wish to hear. The graph in post #7 should get the attention of some, and if expanded back to the countries beginning when money had real value it tells an even stronger story. It might help wake up some if Greece is allowed to fail, but as long as governments continue to spread the wealth as well as spread the debt we are on the road to the eventual collapse of all Nations which might produce the one world governance under a more tightly controlling socialist form of government.

    Governments lose their compass when they veer from protecting freedom as their primary objective, and begin to concentrate on providing what is presented as freedom to sectors of the society who are great enough in number to keep them in power as well as allow government to increase its power.
     
  12. wa bluska wica

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    read a bunch of anti-fed books written by nazi sympathizers back in the 30s, can't say i was impressed much

    on the other hand, prefer a world without any money at all - including equally worthless 'precious metals'
     
  13. broony

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    Yes we need to away from all metals as well.

    We have technology that could put our civilization into a new era but until the federal reserve is abolished and our time and energy, not money, is to head in a new direction, the human population will only continue to suffer with debt, interest, and the inevitable inflation. They are all one and work together.

    Money and materialistic items can become nothing but history.

    Automobiles use to be made only by humans, now 95% of the labor is done by machine. Housing and all structural buildings can be build by machine. Though are "the heart of our economic problems is the federal reserve"

    I wish the general public would study more about money, not economics, but how money is created and why it upholds nothing but debt. Maybe then the fed would come to and end.
     
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    To which ethnic group belong the chairman and the board of directors, managers a.s.o.?
    Look at them and you know wy the system is fraudulent and we are doomed (not them).
     
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    That doesn't really say a lot.

    Well, like it or not the precious metals are here to stay, but you can avoid having any money simply by not working and refusing welfare and all other forms of government handouts or redistributions of other peoples money.
     
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    The Federal Reserve is an unconstitutional sack of shit, but what to do about it? Everyone that takes a basic economic class has some understanding of how the Federal Reserve works, so its not like ignorance is the problem. Every citizen in America could be well-informed of the evils of the Fed Reserve and still nothing would change because we would still be spending those bank notes we all abhor so much.
     
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    I'll admit I've not actually looked this up, but my man says:

    Every U.S. president that has ever opposed the Fed has been asassinated...

    There seems to be literally NOTHING that can be done.

    I don't usually feel so completely defeated by social/political issues, but seriously... what CAN be done?

    The government doesn't have the POWER to dismantle the Fed

    It is the fate of this economy to crumble from it's foundation.
     
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    Apparently I have already +repped you so I'm just gonna second you here on the stupid arbitrarily 'valuable' metals. I can never get people I talk to to even grasp this, it's so ingrained in people's understanding of the world.
     
  19. Individual

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    Hmmm, arbitrarily valuable metals? Just curious of how, in the developed world, trade between individuals might be accomplished without any money at all, including those equally worthless precious metals? And businesses or governments?
     
  20. _Bob_

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    Well, she didn't say 'worthless'-she said 'arbitrary'-they're two different things.

    The value of precious metals go up and down, based on their perceived value-which is the same with currencies, although the mechanism is different.

    There's no guarantee that in x years that the value of gold won't go down-it's an arbitrary thing, because the value of it is largely based on people's perception of it's value at the time.

    I talked to a guy recently that said he was going to take his money (not sure how much he's got, anyway) and convert it all to Swiss gold, because he says the world economy's getting ready to fall apart. I told him, 'rotsa ruck-you'll need it'. If the world economy falls apart, isn't that going to affect the price of gold, too? I mean, really. I don't know why that's so hard to figure out.
     
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