2c-e = Discomfort

Today I took 33 mg of 2c-e. This is likely my last time trying it. I realized that despite its mind-blowing experience, it brings too much discomfort for me. The discomfort starts from when the nausea kicks in.

The best I can describe it is as the very embodiment of discomfort. All the while tripping I kept on rolling in bed. The same thing happened last time, but I realized that I move around so much because the drug makes me feel discomfort: a feeling that just won't go away. There is ego loss in that I feel myself dissolve into the outer reality, which is a bunch of colors: it was a very colorful trip.

The open eye visuals were amazing: I saw things melting before me, and I was able to deconstruct outer reality into color patterns that I could even taste. I saw lots of trails, trails which I could taste.

The drug gave me a glimpse into the way my mind uses data around it to form a coherent whole, and how each and every detail can play an important role. Again, you see how subjective the world and how it is perceived is.

Major time distortion, distortion of shapes and sizes.

I can barely type right now, because I am still impacted.

 

I´ve said it before and I´ll say it again:
The best way to deal with nausea and other gastrointestinal problems caused by RCs is to eat some fresh ginger!

 

What I want to add about 2c-e is that it appears mileage varies with the drug. I broke 100 mg into 3 parts and took it in 3 separate occasions. Therefore, mathematically I must have taken around 33 mg per occasion, with some higher or lower.

2 pills of dramamine does not work, but I will try to see if ginger helps in the future with other RCs.

The nausea is just one aspect of the drug that I don't like. The feeling of discomfort I described, which I have read others have experienced, is separate from the nausea.

One thing I learned from this drug is just how unnatural it is. It reminded me of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and I felt I had been transformed into a monster because of a synthetic chemical. The feeling of discomfort was so unnatural, because I was home and by myself: what I consider a very peaceful setting. My face morphed into something looking very unattractive when I looked into the mirror. I felt like I had been transformed into a werewolf during full moon, figuratively speaking.

I would say the trip is most intense during the first 5 hours, then the effects start to weaken. During the last 2 occasions I felt the effects about 45 minutes after taking the drug. About an hour afterwards I felt an uncontrollable urge to vomit, and while I was vomiting with my eyes closed I saw geometrical patterns that were vivid. These closed-eye visuals were only temporary: perhaps if I focused more I could have had a different trip with a different emphasis. But I kept my eyes open, and felt a peak 4 or 5 hours after consuming. I could see relationships of colors in the bedroom that I never noticed before, and I would dance and twirl around with colors following me, and with me tasting the colors. I felt myself dissolve into a colorful external world with trails. This was the peak, which was short-lasting. That's the best it got.

During the comedown I still tasted colors, an effect that gradually diminished about 8 to 10 hours after consuming the drug. For the rest of the night I had a huge headache, with discomfort persisting.

This morning, about 24 hours after taking the drug, the food I ate still tasted different. I am thinking that this effect should gradually go away over the next few hours or the next day.

I think there is more potential for visuals with other drugs, so I will continue to experiment. In my view 2c-e is a bit overrated, at least for me, because while the visuals are strong they are not that strong, and the peak is so short.

 

I've never taken anything with a longer peak than 2c-e, besides hefty acid doses. Visually it's just as strong as L for me. The human brain is just fucked- look how differently phenethylamines affect everybody, mollyredmore just posted in another thread how this guy can;'t get off on phenethylamines, only like lsd, dmt, psilo, ie tryptamines.

As far as the discomfort goes- I know exactly what you mean, but you rolling around on your bed actually makes it worse. I learned this trick from being so debilitated by this discomfort on numerous occasions... you just have to use all your will to lay still even when you feel uncomfortable to the fullest just pick a spot to lay, lay there and don't move AT ALL for about an hour or so. I think you might be fine after that. Slowly, you should feel the discomfort start to fade, but continue to lay still for a buffer period lol... In your mind, what do you think would be more visually active?

 

I have to agree, 2-CE seems to produce visuals comparable to LSD; atleast with dosages ranging above 40 mg's. I ate 55 mg's last night and the detail in the visuals was absolutely astounding...

 

Like I wrote, my fling with 2c-e is over. As far as what I think might give me stronger visuals, I was thinking of tryptamines: say, 5 to 10 hits of good LSD or 5 grams of dried psilocybin mushrooms. Maybe a strong dose of mescaline too. I will also research other RCs. Who knows, maybe in the coming years someone will invent something very powerful, comparable to LSD...

 

5 grams of boomers won't get you there, but the lucy def. will.

 

I´m curious: did you get many disturbing physical side effects under 55mgs, or was your body O.K.? How was it mentally?

 

Yea I am also curious as to how bad your discomfort was eat?

 

The stomach pains were pretty terrible, and I can feel my regular use of 2-CE starting to wear on my vascular system; it feels like my heart stopped pumping blood and started pumping pins and needles in it's place.

As far as the psychological side-effects go, there was quite a strange disturbance:

Approximately 4 hours into the experience, I was sitting in my well-lit garage (all alone, nobody else around) smoking a cigarette, reminiscing some movie I'd been watching...everything was quiet, even my thoughts seemed quite muffled...when all of the sudden, a black mass rushed through my being and wrapped around me from behind, creating this bleak contrast to the sheer psychedelic colorfuck exploding around me. I could feel this "entity" tugging at my psyche, trying to pull my soul out of me. I jumped up and spun around, swinging my fists when I noticed nothing was there...

At first I thought this was some bizarre anomaly, some incredibly intense psychological hallucination; but after browsing through a 2-CT-7 overdose report I found that what I experienced was no hallucination, but very real indeed:

At about 10 hours into the trip I experienced some minor convulsions; fortunately, wrapping myself up into the fetal position for an hour or so seemed to help...

 

I'd say not to dose that high anymore dude... Sounds almost like the time I od'd on 2c-e...

 

On another note, I'm not sure if I'd posted my experiences with what I coined as the "halo" or "crown of light" effect (consisting of a burning-bright blue light that formed outside of my field of vision), but since the incident involving the said "entity", I've had the "halo" effect permeated into my psyche; except instead of the burning-bright blue color I loved so much, it appears to be a black, inky hallucination. Since the experience left such a great impact on my psyche, I can't say for sure whether this is due to acute brain damage or HPPD.

As for future experimentation with 2-CE, I believe I'll finish out the rest of my bag in 20 mg increments with friends to let them sample the experience; then it's on to DMT. 140 mg's in the past week was extremely hard on my body, and I wouldn't recommend anyone working with the compound dosing anything over 40 mg's...

 

Man, you guys taking 40-50mg's are nuts! The recommended dose is somewhere in the area of 12-18mg's. I'm usually good with 12, and I consider myself relatively tolerant to psychedelics.

 

So how many grams of shrooms do you think it will take? 10?

That will be a lot of chocolate brownies at Bonnaroo.

 

You'll have to remember that some people are a lot more tolerant relative to you. 40-50 mg doses of 2c-e are overkill (IMHO), just because of the body load.

 

This may sound mystical but I believe the body can tell you a lot about a substance. After 3 experiences with 2c-e I will have to class 2c-e as an inferior grade drug like DXM, one that is unnatural, that does not belong in my body because my body tells me it does not.

It's amazing how a small amount of a chemical can change the way you perceive things. When you think about it we perceive things as we do through millions of years of trial and error: creatures with inferior sensory systems did not survive in the struggle of natural selection.

We perceive the way we do because the way we perceive helps us to deal with the real world. With 2c-e I felt like I had lost control early on, which is not to say my trip was bad... just that I had put some crap in my system that was warping my mind.

I will experiment further with LSD and shrooms. Maybe more "natural" substances will appeal much more to me as compared to these research chemicals. I must add that 2c-i was much more pleasant than 2c-e, but I have only done it twice so I can't say it's better definitively. So, I would have to cancel my vote in the 2c-i vs. 2c-e poll.

 

5-MeO-AMT lasts, in my experience, much longer than 2 C-E. I've found myself sayin "o god make it stop" on more than one occasion with this drug. On another note, I finally DID have a mind-blowing experience on CE. I took 25 mgs and my brain was TOTALLY rewired for about 10 hours. Insane! OEVs, CEVs, the whole works. I was even hearing s*it!

 

Yeah, alpha-o does last a LONG time. If you dose like 5mg you'll be trippin for like 10 hours, and probably won't be able to sleep for almost 24 hours. That shit totally fucks up your sleeping schedule and it takes a day or 2 to recover fully...I'm done with 5-meo... the last time I did it, the weirdest shit happened. My toes got bright red on the bottoms, and they seemed a little puffy. Has anyone else ever had anything like that happen on it?

 

ja ja ja ja. There is no comparison between LSD and 2c-e for me. LSD is so much more powerful it's not even funny. 2c-e is like junior varsity whereas LSD is varsity: it gives you a mere glimpse at the possibilities of LSD. LSD also does not bring the discomfort of 2c-e. On the plus side for 2c-e, which I consider milder in even high doses, you have more control under it.

 

I think your body might be tolerant to phenethylamines or something... while you're right that LSD is about one million times better than deuce because of stomach issues, 25 mg's of 2c-e completely blows 5 hits of the best blotter around out of the water for me. I'd say control is while tripping is more relative to set and setting (dose included in set).

I am almost positive that your body chemistry is just naturally tolerant for some reason. I've heard elsewhere people eating phens and observing no effects.

One thing is for sure, LSD is the kind of hallucinogens.