4-aco-dmt 40mg II : Tryptamine Teachings

writer, you write some bad ass trip reports. thanks for this one.

i've quoted the aspects that remind me so much of my trip with my brother. i took 45 mg and gave him 36 for his first time.

you explained the quick comeup very well. maybe you meant it to be for psychedelics in general, but i think this has a 4-aco-dmt feel to it:

i've almost said stuff like this to my brother. he seems to get really RED on tryptamines, the two times he's taken them.

we did a lot of this, after taking a walk that required much effort (due to the shakiness 4aces causes in higher doses).
by "this" i mean laying on the couch, staring at that which eyes CAN see, but only for the moment (try closing your eyes on 4aces, it gives me very DMT-like visuals), laughing and crying from the laughing

i definitely gave my brother too high of a dose for his first time. now that he's tried miprocin at 15 mg, i think he'd be down to try a lower dose of 4aces. maybe 20 mg or so.

what do you think is a comparable dose of 4aces to 15 mg miprocin?

 

15mg miprocin is rather on the light end . . . i'd say that's around 20mg aces or so. I just looked it up on erowid to see how they compare and was surprised to see erowid's 4aces dosage, for "light", listed at 3-7mg. 3-7mg of 4aces is barely perceptible to me, even insufflated. "Light" for me would be like 15mg minimum.

It's also been a long time since I did miprocin so I can't quite remember my dosages exactly I think I've done around 25-35mg.

I recently took ~45mg of 4acodmt about a week ago, first time in a long time. it kicked my ass again. this chemical at this dosage is very consistent in its emphasis on 'psychological'.

 

15 mg miprocin could be roughly equal to 20 mg 4aces, but i don't think it is for ME. could be for my brother though.

my miprocin has gotten pretty stellar reviews, and it's possible that my 4acodmt is not the most potent for whatever reason.

but i personally haven't had strong effects from ~30 mg 4aces. 15 mg miprocin was about as strong as 25 or 30 mg 4aces for me.

but i was tripping more often when i took 4aces.
tis a complex issue

 

Maybe you didn't get visuals nor very strong trip because you have emptied your stomach?

 

i don't recall my 45 mg trip being all that visual either, open eyed.

closed eyed, it looked and felt much like DMT (non-breakthrough)


interestingly, low dose miprocin seemed to work great even dosed immediately after slices of pizza.

 

As others said, that's why you're mister writer

Thanks whomever dug this one up, I had missed it.

That last line is quotable, and the paragraph above it... I have more experience with LSD and 4aces more than any other psychedelic and from my experience, those descriptions are spot on.

The bolded part, is exactly what happened to me on that difficult trip a few weeks back. Thanks for this, it's an extra piece that helps me piece me back together :sunny:

 

I'm glad for that I also still feel that way about 4aces a few years later . . . . the ultimate mirror

Yeah pork it's very complex indeed. Not always so easy even to compare similar tryptamines.

Flyingfly, in my experience 4acodmt is minimally visual. The only time I ever had STRONG visuals with it was at 50mg, but that trip was TOO MUCH. (http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=383816&f=126)

Even at 45mg there were pretty minimal visuals, like a weak acid trip. Funny because 5 more mg and I had full OEV and break from reality.

 

ahem. that would be me :afro: