4-aco-dmt

i have some on the way, but (there is always a but) i am a little nervous. i've done my research, but i cannot seem to find a mg scale anywhere, or even sure this is gonna be 4-aco and not, say cyanide...

what's the best way to truly know? and not die

 

One, do your homework. Be as comfortable as you can that the source is reputable and reviewed.
Two, do an allergy test. Take a most miniscule amount (1mg, size of a pinhead or less) before venturing further.
Three, take a look at harm reduction threads at BL and/or DF. Lot's of good info there.
Four, mg scales aren't hard to find at places like Amazon. The popular cheap scale will work fine for things like 4aco when you're in the 20mg range or more. NOT good enough for very small, 1-5mg range things like the Nbome's.

4ace's is a winner. Take a little time to do your research and stay safe.

 

If youre on a budget, try this scale. I have it and its decent.

As for whether itll be 4 aces and not cyanide, you can look up the vendor on this site:
https://safeorscam.com/

Just paste the website of the vendor into the search field and click go.

Voyage already covered the allergy test.

Good luck.

 

I don't think there are EZ Test Kits for 4-Aco-DMT, so the best thing to do would be to, as Voyage said, test a very small amount yourself. And here's a $20 I saw that Mr. Writer recommend. I'm ordering one myself. >:B
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/digital-precision-scale-20g-max-0-001g-resolution-10515

And if you can't get a scale, hopefully you didn't buy a huge amount of material so you can separate it into doses. For example, if you got 250mg, separate into 6-7 piles. Or distill it in water and do some maths.

 

how would i do the math with distilled water?

 

1mg for every ml is standard. So 20ml would be 20mg.

 

okay, so if i didn't have a scale, and i put some powder in some water, and sucked it up in a syringe, how can i tell what my dosage is, w/o say 20 mg to one ML of water

 

^^i dunno what you mean by the last part "w/o say 20 mg to one ML of water"

but here's how it works:

if you are getting say 250 mg, you would add 250 mL of distilled water. providing that your source gave you exactly 250 mg (which you can't really be sure of without a scale), you would now have 1 mg of 4-aco-dmt per ever 1 mL of liquid.

you should also make sure that whatever salt form of 4-aco-dmt you have is soluble in water. you might need to add a bit of alcohol to get it to dissolve.

 

I see a few problems with this ^^^
While on paper volumetric measuring with liquid is a sound idea, the first problem is what PS said, you're assuming the amount you start with is a known amount. While it wouldn't hurt if you did this with 250ml of water/everclear/whatever and lets say, 300mg of 4aco, you still wouldn't exactly have 1mg/1ml
The second problem is, reports of how long this will stay active vary widely. Unless you plan on using this whole amount in a short period of time, you may wind up with useless water. Not for sure, but its a dice roll.
Do you know how long it will last, and any other RC you may find interest in in the future? From all i've read, (alot) I haven't a clue. But the salt RC's Ive had stay perfectly active with good storage.

Plus, can you store it safely?

If you can afford to experiment with stuff, you can afford the popular cheapy mg scale alot of people have.



It's like $25 and will get you as plenty accurate as needed, as much or more so than the variability mentioned above.

 

I've been looking on ebay and i've been wanting to invest in this ^^^ gemini scale. I, however, ordered some cheapy scale from china and i'm waiting for the bastard to cancel my order so I can get the one in the picture above. I don't wanna wait 3 wks to a month for my scale, when my 4-aco is gonna be here in a few days...

I ordered a sample from my vendor, and he didn't say how many mg is in the sample...

 

Gotcha. Ya, it's kind of hard to be psyched for a voyage and have one little part holding things up. That scale can be had on amazon for 20-ish, that's a fairly quick source.
It sounds like you want to take a safe approach. :2thumbsup: Good on ya... I'm quite certain it will be a positive experience for you. There's a reason 4aces is one of, if not the most popular 4-subbed trypt.

Edit: It just registered in my head. You ordered a sample... so I assume like maybe 100mg or so? If it's a small amount like that, see if you can contact them, ask if they can give you an accurate measurement, explain that you're going to do volumetric measuring for research. If your research sample is only going to be say 100mg, that would probably store ok for a few weeks in liquid suspension. I wouldn't gamble on longer than that personally.

 

Now how would i know if it's for sure 4-aco-dmt and not 5-meo-dmt or something, as i am very new to Rc's....

i found this vendor on another and completely unrelated forum, and he also has nbome and other stuff for sale...am-2201

 

Well, that there is a good reason for an allergy test. 5 meo is active at much smaller amounts. If you test say 3-5 mg, if it's 5 meo not 4 aco, you'll KNOW.
Although very rare, vendors have mislabeled things. Exactly one reason to test first.

 

Is 4-aco-dmt fumarate pretty stable? Can it be stored (properly) for years without degradation?

 

Depending how it's stored. I'm sure if you store it properly you wont notice any difference for a long time.

And even when it degrades quite a bit, like stuff that required round 40mg for a decent trip it wont be more harsh or anything like that. I didn't try that stuff but was told there wasn't really noticeable difference in qualitative experience. Have in mind that stuff wasn't degraded cuz it was stored for a very long time. It was fucked up at the beginning because of heat so that might make difference compared to degradation over years but it probably wont.

But I tried 4-aco-DMT that was a bit less potent than other batch I tried and trip was still very clean and without body load.

 

what is recommended intake? oral like most people on erowid? i've been thinking intravenously, like i read in part of tikhal, but i dunno if that would be good for first time

 

^^what?! you were thinking of shooting up a research chemical?....for the first time?!

NO

eat it

and i don't recall that part of TiHKAL

fumarate is supposed to be more stable than HCl or freebase

 

idk, i thought it was tihkal...something researchy pulled off erowid

 

"Cars. I have bought one and it's on it's way, but I am a little nervous. I've done my research, but I cannot seem to find a driving course anywhere, or even sure if this is going to be an automobile, or say, a blender. What's the best way to truly know?"

That's how this thread reads to me. This is terrifying man . . . you are ordering strong psychedelics, don't know dick about them or how to take them (despite ample information online, proving you are one of those people who have "done their research" without knowing the most basic of basic facts), and your first inclination is to put the fucking drug in a syringe and inject it directly into your bloodstream . . . what is with these massively fail threads lately?? "hey guys i got a new drug but i dont know anything about it and i dont know for sure what it is and i dont know how much to do and i dont know how much ill have. dont worry ive done my research tho. so which arm should i use for IV?"

threads like this should be locked and you should be ridiculed back to the google for actual research. This is not "make a thread and be told how to take your drugs" forum, especially if you haven't covered the basics yourself. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I should think something like this should be earned and not handed to someone who can't be arsed to figure out whether they have a car, a blender, a bomb, and which bodily cavity they should fit it in.

 

Well I have been looking it up on google, and erowid...and I do have intentions of testing to see if I react good or not....then i plan on IV...

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal18.shtml

and about halfway down that entry: (with 3 mg phosphate ester, intravenously) "The effects are immediate (in 30 seconds) and I did not have the time to build up any worry -- it was simply too fast. In about an hour I was back where I started from."