4-aco Duration

27mg 4-aco-dmt

Other substances/factors: 30mg cyclobenzaprine, 1600mg ibuprofen, ~400mg caffeine throughout day, 15mg melatonin, sleep deprivation, physical exhaustion

Mind state: stressed, anxious, depressed, but mental clarity prevailed

Physical state: injured

Setting: Inside my house

Background: I crashed my car last Wednesday, resulting in a financial nightmare, the loss of a beautiful machine to which I had a strong emotional attachment, transportation issues to and from a brand new job, physical injuries, and a general feeling of disconnection from my (subjectively) normal life.

Some would say these are less than ideal conditions for a psychedelic endeavor. I was wary of solo-tripping in my state of mind, especially with the trip taking place inside my house as I often feel trapped, and I debated dosing all day until around 8:30pm when I had a spark of "ahhh, fuck it!" and prepared myself 27mg 4-aco-dmt. The day up until then had been pretty rough. I worked until 10pm the night before, and had worked 4am-2pm that day. We were short-staffed, got a truckload of shipment and had an unusually high volume of business for a Wednesday. I don't take my pain meds before work because they fuck me up, so I was battered and very sore by the time I got home. I took my meds at around 5pm, which usually do little more than make me drowsy enough to sleep through the pain, rather than dull it. However, I was overtired by this point and sleep was doing a terrible job of meeting me halfway. Aching, sore, and floating around on cyclobenzaprine, I trudged through the evening's mundane tasks and chores such of scooping litter boxes, grocery shopping, etc...

I also had to go back to the crash site to take pictures of the deplorable road conditions, my tire skids, etc... to submit to my insurance company for evidence. I even found my front passenger blinker still lying on the side of the road. Needless to say, it was very surreal and the experience regurgitated some strange feelings and I was relieved when my business there was finished.

Now that you have an idea of my general mindset, onto the trip. I still had a heavy case of medhead by the time I dosed and even the salty-sour tryptamine flavor that lingered at the back of my throat wasn't enough to remind me I had just bought my ticket and was waiting in line. Around 9pm, I felt my first shift in perception and immediately regretted dosing on a day so inappropriate for psychedelic activity. I gathered my wits and gave myself a mental pep talk in an effort to prepare myself for the rough sailing I knew lay ahead.

Like my first time with 4-aco at 22mg, the comeup was mildly uncomfortable. Not physically as intense as 2c-e or i, but thoughts and ideas seemed to form at opposite ends of my brain and collide in the middle. However, I contributed this to the stupefying effects of the pain meds and my general mindstate, and accepted the trip wholeheartedly for what it was. Early on, I surrendered myself to the tryptamine essence and went into it knowing full well it probably wouldn't be a picnic.

It had been a long day to begin with, but paired with classic psychedelic time dilation, it was the longest consistent portion of "time" I had ever experienced. I would compare it to finding out in your 7th hour of work that the boss needs you to stay for another whole shift. Most of the trip was an uphill battle juggling physical pain, fatigue and drug-induced drowsiness and my altered perception. Part of me felt as though I could fall asleep for days right where I stood, but another part of me knew that as long as the 4aco was running its course the door to Sleepdom would be shut and padlocked. All the thoughts and feelings I'd repressed over the past week were suddenly presented before me, and I knew the only way through to the other side was to face and resolve them one by one. Interestingly, there was a surprising lack of emotion and it felt more along the lines of simply business that needed tending to. I felt like a mere observer inside my own head, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing. I did get caught up in a few tiresome loops, but I simply rode them out and felt oddly refreshed after each one.

Shortly before midnight (although time was irrelevant), I decided I needed a break from this utilitarian structure and distracted myself with the comedic stylings of Brian Regan. A few times I wondered if I was or would be OK, but I caught a glimpse of my stupid laughing face in the mirror and thought it was beautiful and right, and I knew I was fine. Laughter felt good, but staying consistent with the theme of the evening, it was also laborious and each outburst felt like a mutli-step project I'd worked long hours on and was finally presenting to the board.

Around 1am the trip was beginning to downshift and my physical body's cries for rest were getting louder and harder to ignore. I knew sleep was still far off on the horizon, but I decided to at least relax in bed in the dark with music. It felt like it was about that time of the evening for Mr. Tambourine Man, but Shpongle was bookmarked when I turned on my ipod. I decided not to change it and soon learned that Shpongle is what you're supposed to listen to on any form of DMT. I popped some melatonin out of force of habit I suppose, half hoping it would smooth things out and rock me to sleep. It did no such thing.

What it did, however, was add a new flavor to the experience and it seemed to recharge the tail end of the 4aco that had been lingering. Thus began my favorite part of the trip, the part I'd done all the hard work to get to. The synesthesia of thought, sight, and sound was unlike anything I'd experienced yet. It wasn't nearly as pushy as 2c-e and the visuals didn't explode in my face, they were just there for me to take in at my own pace. Thoughts were presented as pastel-colored abstract geometrical patterns and concepts that swirled and transformed in time with Shpongle. Pleasant lavenders and periwinkle shades against a black background were the main color theme behind closed eyes. OEVs consisted of an infinite grid of small translucent swirls or eyes (think Alex Grey) that seemed to be projected over my entire field of vision.

I'm not satisfied with my ability to describe it, but the best I can relay it is that I felt a current of some kind of cosmic "knowledge" flowing through every cell in my body. Everything made so much sense, and I fully understood everything that passed through my head. I felt/thought of a giant never-ending jigsaw puzzle where pieces where perpetually being fit together perfectly. I wouldn't really call them thoughts or ideas, this is where I have trouble describing the sensation. On the other hand I felt so close to something, but I can't quite say what. All I knew was that it was a great presence, all around me but slightly out of reach, that was pumping this information through me. It was something greater than even love. I questioned what could exist that is greater than love, but couldn't answer it. Whatever it was, was right in front of me but my mind was simply too fatigued to go through anymore processing. Although the experience was intense, there was not a hint of anxiety or fear. It simply felt like it was meant to be.

At this point, things become hazy as my brain had given everything it could give for the day and was finally ready for rest. I had a lucid dream involving a benevolent orange octopus, but that's all I can recall. Tales of the Inexpressible ended, I took a deep breath and slipped into sleep.

It's been said to death, but 4aco is truly an amazing and beautiful substance. I am absolutely blown away by what it has shown me so far and I know that I've only skimmed the surface. Although last night's experience was what I consider sub-breakthrough, I truly believe 4aco contains the tools I've been looking for in a psychedelic. I fully intend to explore this substance further and learn to properly use and master the resources it has presented to me.

 

I can't believe you could 'take on' such a trip under those circumstances, certainly nothing I would attempt. Sounds like you faired pretty well except the time dialation part. Perhaps its just my perception having recent dmt experience, but some of your description especially on the latter half sounds like the courtyard or outer breaches of the Dmt experience. Like the "knowledge" of every cell in your body part, and those 'jigsaw' puzzle pieces are fully together on Dmt but the perfection is to a detail that it doesn't make sense to me and seems alien LOL.

Shpongle is great tryptamine music! Do you still maintain this as an outside substance or perhaps inside in dim lighting?

 

It's hard to say, I found much value in both my trips, but they were complete opposite experiences. My first trip was outside, in a good mood, with my trip buddy, but at a lower dose. That trip was much more recreational with lots of laughter, connection and just being in awe of how beautiful nature looked. However, I felt it hard to be introspective because of all the outside "distraction." Last night was almost entirely introspective and being in my house the whole time didn't bother me as much as I thought it would.

Next time, I might do a 32mg dose outside. All in all, I think 4aco is appropriate for either setting. It just seems very "adaptable" and friendly to me.

 

hmmm I'm contemplating taking some this afternoon because I got the tool show in 2 weeks and I want 1 trip in before then with it which I'm most certainly taking it at. You feel pretty good today? I have work at 12:30 tomorrow if I take it at 4 today I'll be alright you think?

 

You should be straight. I feel good today, aside from the fact I still need to catch up on sleep. It's not nearly as hard on the body as 2c's or even methylone, although I don't get much of a hangover from them either as long as I stay hydrated. The body high (despite my injuries) is actually quite enjoyable. Jump right in!

 

Good report. That stuff is the bomb diggity.

 

Professional tripper right here ^

check out Shulman if you understand shpongle.

Wholly agree, it is top grade shit.

 

I'm pretty much back to baseline from my first trip with it. I enjoyed it alot I took about 20 mgs, not orally...

I played alot of guitar on it and walked around and felt a glowing tryptamine radiance and quality visual distortion. It felt like a 'hollow' mushroom trip and I'm not using hollow with any sort of positive or negative spin, Im saying it felt strictly cerebral pretty much as opposed to throughout the whole body like shrooms, and i didnt feel 'food poisoning' running through me like shrooms, Perhaps some of that was due to roa.

I found some time to play a couple of Shpongle tracks of course which was great and i would enjoy taking this camping or somewhere woodsy in particular I think.

It was paced well and a very emotionally balanced trip especially after getting beaten over the head and scolded by dmt and its 'entities' the previous day and nearly puking in the process, but I give you props for maintaing with your outside circumstances.

I am very excited and thankful to be taking this for Tool!

 

Hi guys, I haven't tried 4-AcO-DMT yet, and I have been doing lost of research on the comparison between psilacetin and shrooms. What I have gathered is that it is more gentle, more colorful, and longer lasting. I would love shrooms except that they make me very tired when I do them, so much so that it pretty much ruins my trip on high doses and even though i feel really tired, i cant sleep without taking a sleeping pill. I didnt seem to have as much of a problem with this in the past, but maybe doing a stimulant at the same time would help. Anyway, my question is, does psilacetin induce a similar sort of tired feeling? Would pure psilocybin make you tired too or is it something else in the shrooms that does it? sometimes making tea makes me less tired but recently even that has made me feel like passing out. My question for those who have tried both shrooms and 4-AcO-DMT is if shrooms make you tired, does psilacetin too? I am going to order some if it doesn't, so any feedback would be appreciated! Thanks!

 

well, I found with psilacetin that there is a slight sense of lethargy but I'm thinking in comparison to phenethylamines like 2ci and mescaline. Was It was more energetic than mushrooms for me?

like I said I played guitar and walked around, I would say overall yes its more energetic but sometimes it depends on the shrooms. Its certainly clearer than shrooms.

 

Sounds awesome, I'm glad you liked it. I think you'll find that the trip becomes more "complete" with higher doses. Even though I had many outside factors influencing my trip this time, I noticed some profound differences in the nature of the trip with only a 5mg increase. The dose-curve response on this one is really intriguing.

 

Interesting, I had a very kind of laid back type day it will be interesting to see how the increased dosed , oral administration and overstimulating setting of the tool show is in comparison.

I'm guessing I'll be too fully enveloped in what is going on to really take notice tho.

 

So I just got some psilacetin and i did 25 mg today which i have read is supposed to be like 4-5 grams of good shrooms, but for me it felt like 2-3 grams and it only lasted 3 hours instead of 6-10. i guess the shrooms i had were really good plus there seemed to be more caps than stems but i always need a lot of hallucinogens to trip so next time i think ima just go all out and do 100 mg. My friend who is sensitive to drugs is gonna do 20 mg for his first time. I like the hallucinations when they are very strong. I want to be overpowered by them. I did 15 grams of shrooms 6 hits of acid and 6 strong E pills over about 4 hours (after doing 6 grams of shrooms that morning) and i had super nice visuals i felt super amped i think my eyes were super wide i saw colorful outlines of shit goin on on the walls it was pretty cool. Anyway my point is that the more I do the more fun i have and ive never had a bad trip in my life so i might as well go strong and trip balls like I want to. Oh and i didnt notice any of the super tiredness that the last batch of shrooms i had seemed to give me, so strong i just wanted to pass out but i couldnt sleep jsut laid in bed yawning it was shitty even though the visuals were sick. Though i dint get tired when i did those 21 grams of shrooms but that was prolky cause of hte acid and the pillls. anyway inm kind of drunk right now and imn pretty sure im rambling so ima cut if off ty for listening!

 

100mgs? No.

 

Gradual dose increase.
Go to 50 next.

 

Even that's not very gradual, that's doubling the dose lol. The difference between 25mg and 50mg is like a totally different compound. Try like 35mg next time as a 'next step up'. add 10mgs to your dose if underwhelmed.

 

Sounds a lot like my 4-AcO-DMT experiences, what was particularly interesting is you mentioned the OEVs of a "grid of eyes", I have described my 4-AcO-DMT OEVs using the exact same phrase, and I know 3 or 4 others who've had the same thing.

In combination with 2C-E those eyes become faces. Either way, it's quite interesting as I've never really noticed such consistencies in peoples trip reports regarding a single psychedelic before.

 

I'm not sure about 100mg dose but if you can seriously down

and are trying to get to a level similar to that(4-aco definately won't provide those visuals though), then 35 mg would probably disappoint as well. I'd say go for 50 as well then maybe the hundred if your feeling up to it.

 

50mg had pretty wild visuals for me, you need to get past a critical point before which there are little to no visuals.

 

That shit gave me some couchlokc but it wasn't horrible I could walk around more just chillin... gentler and longer lasting? I don't know we got some of the shit from canada right when it came out and ate 28 mg and within fifteen minutes we were high and twenty five we were full visual... we were back at baseline after we ate some pizza at 3:30 from dosing. Gentle? I ate 4 grams of shrooms [damn good ones, evaluated by experienced friends] it was my only shrooms and it was after the 4-aco, but that seemed to last longer and it was slower up and down, and the peak was not as super-intense as that 4-aco shit... anyways I think the 4-Aco-DMT is about the best chemical you can get it's the cleanest RC... a real drug.