a little LSD obsessed...

i cant stop thinking about hallucinogens. i think its fascinating and has so much potential to do so much good. the applications in psychiatry are amazing and could help millions.

the problem is that i cant stop thinking about it, and reading about it. i want to enjoy the rest of life as well, but right now i feel like i found some sort of key to enlightenment and i want to spread the word.

a couple friends want me to shut up already. they listened at first but i guess its getting old.

anyone else ever feel like this? how did it change? what can i do? should i even do anything? maybe this is as positive as i think it is. ive only tripped about 6 times

 

I bet I'm more obsessed than you

trip more. trip different. trip deeper.

this is part of why its hard for me to really open up to people i meet, a big part of my life is devoted to illegal things and big no no taboo mind alterations. and the people i do meet who are into this, 99% of them cannot function well in society, they are "druggies". i am not. i am a regular joe shmoe on the street with a secret passion, and maybe one day i can have the two sides of me shine together.

 

Hyping it up in your brain isn't going to make you feel better. Do it.

 

This is exactly how I feel too. I feel like I am not totaly honest to people I meet if I don't mention what playes big part of my life (even though its almost 2 years that I didn't trip). But then again, as soon as you start talking about it, people think that you are crazy or druggie, all because of bad name lsd was labeled by ignorant people who are imprisoned in materialistic boulshit and control over masses. The sad thing is that people like that are running this world, and they are authomaticaly more trusted just because they are in the possition to make laws and force paople to live by those laws. Ironicly, I feel like a memeber of a resistance in Alo Alo show. You know that your cause is right but you must be covered by the veil of secrecy, othervise you got chased and locked, because you can maybe turn somebody to the "other side" by your love and care. It is not easy life to live, you would like to show others how things can be wonderful, but again, you must respect other peoples opinions and believes and let them choose on their own. I am not saying that everybody should try lsd or any other psychedelic, but what pisses me of is that you can get locked for a long time just because your choise somebody labeled illegal, even if you are not hurting anyone.

 

yup. i've ranted before to my friend and it feels like he kinda rolls his eyes to himself whenever i even mention acid to him. it does get old after a while for people that arent interested. and to acid-lovers even after a while.
just be aware of how much youre talking about drugs and who youre talking to. theres not much else to say

 

I was obsessed with it, but not so much anymore, I think once you have a bad trip you'll start losing interest

 

No, that's when you can really start to appreciate it's value.
I also go on mini dialogs about psychedelics with the wife, my teen kids, friends, etc. I get the looks occasionally, but often I get interested questions. Main reason I feel is the way I approach it. One important thing to bear in mind is that the majority of people have no idea how/why the current drug laws came into effect. Often when I tell people that the laws are NOT based on harm, (as evidenced by alcohol & tobacco being legal) and take legal consideration OUT of the conversation, the audience is more receptive.
You need to settle and remove the old "Drugs are bad because they are illegal" and "Drugs are illegal because they are bad" mentality. Once that fallacy is made apparent, people are much more receptive to discussing drugs in general. Also important is to distinguish between different types of drugs and honestly acknowledge that some drugs are bad and destructive.
Honesty backed up by un-biased research has proven to work the best for me thus far.
Going on about how you merged with the Godhead, or saw such bitching trails and visuals is the fastest way to NOT get listened too. Pointing out the facts of safety, benefits in personal growth and use in psychology, current research into medicinal uses, all serve to open the door for further discussion. Often I get responses such as "I didn't know LSD can stop cluster headaches" or "Really, there have never been any deaths from LSD overdose?"
Just last night I was talking to the wife about MDMA and how it started as a very effectual drug for PTSD treatment, interpersonal relationship therapy and grief counciling because it is an empathogenic psychedelic, she became very interested. (she has never yet dealt completely with the death of her mother 4 years ago from lung cancer. It's not a pretty or dignified way to leave this life).

If you want people to actually listen to you about psychedelics you need to temper your enthusiasm with FACTS. Leave talk of spirituality out of the equation until asked.

And there you have, I got started up and could go on for another page, but I'll spare you, as most of you here already know my feelings in this area.

 

I think most of us feel like this. You have come to a good place, if you are interested in discussion.

 

Yea ever since medical marijuana has taken precedence in Michigan, everyone suddenly seems to be much more open and tolerable of the talk of marijuana or the idea of smoking it even if they don't smoke it themselves.

I guess the fact of the matter is that people don't acknowledge certain things until they've reached the surface of manifestation and everyone can look around at the mirror of themselves and nod in agreement that "fill in the blank" is acceptable. Anything goes. The most absurd thing imagineable, if collectively agreed upon will be seen as OK.

Perhaps someday it will seem outrageous to consider the idea that LSD was a taboo topic.

 

^Writer. Basically what i was going to say.

You are older and more experienced than I, clearly. But as for opening up, I find i can do it quite well most of the time, I enjoy opening people up more that letting them in. but at the same time that this is happening that "secret passion" is lurking underneathe somewhere waiting for it's time to come out and play. (which happens with "drug people")

But also i have many things to speak of besides drugs/psychs/ethenogens, like my artwork, school, VIDEO GAMES (i guess), all that philosophical jazz etc you knoww?

i do however relate alot of things to psychs...... thats whats up with you, you love the amazement and power they behold to you, its intriging becasue only you have been there to "your space".

One last thing. It does sound like your buddies are getttin annoyed at you for obvious reasons of rambling like some Shaman full of revalations, Keep it up and you'll be seen as that dude STRAIGHT OBSESSED wit droogs mane, which is what you sound like your scared of.

Keep Reading, Keep Thinking, Keep associating
and like Mr. Writer said
Trip more, trip different, trip deeper.
eace:

 

This is a perfect point as well, goes right along with writers post.
Any mention of LSD in a regular setting will send thought patterns of HIPPIES and ACID FRIED FREAKS, DRUGGIEs and pretty much a lot of negativaty associated with said comment.
eace:

 

"Perhaps someday it will seem outrageous to consider the idea that LSD was a taboo topic."

i truly hope so.

 

i've got the obsession too, in particular with N,N, DMT. All i can say is that bad trips don't stop it, they just stop me from dosing so frequently. The obsession remains. But, it does seem to be getting a bit more reasonable/more manageable as time passes.

When i first actively got into DMT about 18 months ago i was an out of control ranter. i even got tired of hearing myself talk about it. Writing it all down in a 300 page book that is like 650,000 words long didn't help either.

What has helped is time and repeated exposures. It is still amazing, fantastic, one of the most healing things i have encountered, i still feel possessed and infused with a mission to spread the molecule and information, BUT i find that sometimes i actually do think of other things. i also find that even with a fantastic and profound breakthrough experience, it is okay for me to just stfu about it. Confirm it was a breakthrough, deep, mystical, fantastic, whatever, but don't rant unless asked to or actively questioned.

Speaking for myself i think part of this obsession has to do with my personality and accompanying disorders. But i think part of it has to do with the fact that these medicines are so powerful, so spiritual, offer so much REAL healing, give us a view on what is REALLY important that they are still abhorred by general culture/society and lied about no end.

So, we get lied to from day one. Then we take what feels like a real risk/chance (i could die! i could go insane!) and what do we get? An incredible and fantastic view on the truth of the world that extends as far back as human culture and as far forward and the mathematicians and quantum cosmologists can take us. An experience this is more healing, more directly in touch with the mystical than any drug or entertainment that culture and church could offer us.

Looking at it from that perspective, it seems to make perfect sense that an educated, thinking mind, having gone through this history of lies and these experiences of truth might get a tad obsessed, especially as we watch society and culture crumble around us . . .

 

I'm certainly obsessed with psychedelics, but in my case it's more focused on learning as much as I can about them (not that I don't absolutely adore the experiences!). Prior to discovering psychedelics, I was something of a nerd and, honestly, that really hasn't changed at all, it is just that my interests have shifted towards being a sort of drug nerd

How one small molecule can so profoundly alter one's consciousness absolutely fascinates me. How does such a slight alteration in brain chemistry induce such drastic results? Learning more about drugs, about their method of action, about their symptoms, etc., etc. has become a burning passion in my life - it just captivates me. For example, I find it very curious that in nearly every trip report of Datura, the author has the experience of smoking phantom cigarettes. That seems so absurdly specific to me it really gets me thinking WHY, what is it in the chemical makeup of this plant that can cause such a specific phenomenon?

And yet, although there are some commonalities that run throughout people's experiences, the true defining quality of these experiences is their uniqueness, indicating that all the euphoria, the terror, the insight, the love are a unique component of the individual. I believe Shulgin said something similar about his first experience with Mescaline.

I'm of the opinion that these drugs have a tremendous potential for helping people, even if it's sometimes just helping them to relax or have fun and (were I less cynical) I'm appalled that they are illegal given the evidence for their safety.

I definitely identify with what has been discussed in this thread, I rarely wax so philosophical about drugs since it's frequently a difficult topic to gain any ground in. When I do talk about them, I essentially do it as PB mentioned, discussing facts, and risks etc. to the extent that some friends view me as a sort of walking erowid

 

i've never had that much trouble speaking with people about tripping, whether they have or not. People generally seem pretty curious, minus like my family.

Generally, i run into something like "yea dude i've done shrooms but i won't touch acid" or "yea man i would totally do shrooms but i won't go near acid"

 

Yea, me neighter when I was young and didn't have anything to loose. But now, I have my wife and two kids, I am the only one that works and supporting this family. We changed not country, but the whole continent, twice (from Europe, to Botswana to Australia). I am pretty new in this country and don't have anybody here. All my friends are overseas, so the only place I can discuss this things is this web site. It took me loong time when we came here to find work in my profession (Senior IT Engineer) and I can not risk mentioning this things to anybody at work because it might just lead to losing the job. And I realy can't afford that.
So thats the reason that I realy can't be myself, I have to be some average Joe and blend in to the masses and do what they expect "normal" person would do and talk about. But how I am going to meet somebody who can become my friend when that person would probably not be atracted with the corporate geek picture that I am forced to reflect, and vice versa if they are interested I don't find fun at all going through stupit subjects because I am not just computer geek at all.
Well, I guess I need time to stumble upon somebody, but thats now another subject, the point is, I am not allowed to be who I realy am because its labeled wrong by society, and I can't even risk trying to explain it to somebody using eighter PB's or any other way, simply no mentioning drugs.
And its not just that feeling "I have to tell to everybody", I passed that long time ago, this is about beeing forbiden to be who you realy are, thats what I am talking about.
Well, a lot of rambling
Peace and love!!!

 

Not rambling at all
I totally understand your position and sympathize. Even among some of my pot smoking buddies psychedelics discussions are not permitted.
But you are making the right choice, putting family needs above your own.
:cheers2:

 

It's pretty hard - for me anyway - to have a meaningful discussion about psychedelics with people who have (n)ever been experienced. Not likely we'd be sittin' around the office, talking about the ineffable, becoming enlightened, confronting the worst in myself, seeing my beauty, visions, aalll of that. Weirdly, where I talk the most about related things/psychedelic thinking (though I'd never call it that) is in a weekly Bible study I've been part of for about 20 years. And more with my wife and my friend since Vietnam days. So yeah, here I am on this forum, interacting with people of like mind. Happy to be here!

 

You are the Buddha. And so is everybody else. If you truley understand this, and recognize it, then you can fully be yourself around all people at all times.

 

Yes, in your head, but you need to be careful what you actualy say arround people in my situation.

When I was 18-29 and with no kids, I was Buddha all the way, but now I can be that only in my head, quietly.

When you are 36 and in my situation where somebody relies on you, you will truely understand what I am talking about (no offence)

Peace and Love!