A moneyless society, is it possible?

If energy is free wouldn't everything be free/moneyless? Why is oil not free? In today's world it only requires a few individuals to produce oil and if these workers were rewarded publicly (like firefighters, police officers) not by private owners wouldn't oil be very cheap? In-result massively reducing prices of goods and services. Why is the price of oil going up when the costs of production are going down?

 

oil is getting harder to find?

it costs money to extract it, process it and make it functional. you have to pay the people to do it too.

 

dont buy into the madness

we vote every time we spend a dollar. (there's moneyless society for ya! haha)

there are LOTS of options available to us, the only limits are creativity and effort.

 

Harder? modern technology must be going backward.

 

damn..couldn't have said it better myself.

abolition of money is far-fetched, but wow, would that be revolutionary; it would be unlearning thousands of years of politico-economic programming.

Iwish more people were creative and forward-thinking, everything today is convenience and pre-made.

 

No no no, Inquiring! Oil is getting scarcer. I have read reports that say Saudi Arabia's oil production has already peaked. Even with all of the modern technology, only about half the oil is recoverable in the ground. Fields that have the oil removed to quickly can collapse, loosing the rest of the oil.

Face it, world oil production is going to peak within the next 5 years, and oil will be unrecoverable in our lifetime. That's what most experts thing, sans Bush's experts.

I agree Nimh, we vote every time we spend a dollar. That's why adam and i don't shop at Walmart.

Peace & Love

 

Why don't you check out http://www.adbusters.org ? I think you would like this site polymer. They work on "uncooling" major brands and get people to shut off their tv's for a week. Also, there's a don't spend anything day. Corporations are running this society!

Peace and love

 

most societies have currency of some kind - even if it's like... turnips or something.There are a few communes here that run on trading skills.But I thought hydrogen was going to be the new fuel - germany already have hydrogen fuelling stations for cars..

 

A cashless society is one of the goals of the Elite. I am sure people like "Inquiring_Mind" will be the first to line up for an implantable microchip.

Some of you people are so fucking naive. Try reading a book. Stop being so fucking ignorant!

 

peak oil is bullshit. it's just another way of jacking up prices on oil to keep the general populace in a position of servitude. there's plenty of oil, you'll just have to pay out the nose for it. be a good little slave and pay up.

OR

you could invest in something else: biofuel, solar powered vehicles, hybrids, group transit, carshares, simplify your life so that you're not so freaking dependant on the grid in the first place, bike, walk

we're only slaves to the peak oil paradigm if we choose to be. choose freedom.

<end soapbox speech>

 

Nimh - you are a very smart lady. I really wish you would post here more often

 

hey, thanks

i'm just in a pissy mood today, usually i try to be more positive.

 

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Money is how the elites maintain their power.

Maybe you should try your own advice. Just because people express different views than you it does not mean they are naive.

How does a cashless/moneyless society equate to implantable microchips?

 

The Global Elite - that is the central bankers - print the money. They have the ultimate power because THEY control everything! Money as we know it means nothing to them, since they control the flow of money that they print. What the Elite want isn't more money, because they have all the money they could ever want. What they want is full control over humanity, and nothing plays into their hands more than idiots who support the consolidation of wealth (hence power) into their hands and the governments in which they control.

A cashless society equates to an implantable microchip because one day that will be how people will pay for goods. Those who bow down to the system will be able to buy things like food, while those who rebel against the system will be left to starve. Since paper money will be abolished, the government will be able to strictly control what you can and cannot buy through a chip inplanted in your hand or arm, which will be connected to a central computer database.

You are playing into the very system you think you are opposing.

 

Right now, oil companies are greedy and they are jacking up prices. That said, oil production will peak. Why? Because oil is a non-renewable resource. At the rate that oil is being consumed today (about 100 million barrelells per day world wide), oil will run out soon. Any geologist would tell you that, which is where I got my numbers. I am a geology student, and this was a major issue.

Here's a website with more info: http://lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

I would like a barter system, but I doubt that would happen.

Peace & Love

 

Wealth is already consolidated in private hands.

They control the government because they have more money and because elected politicians desire money.

You consider all kinds of governments bad, I on the other hand do not.

How can the elites control anything without money? Your answer is microchips which most people would be against unless they are brainwashed. Your jumping into uncertain and fishy conclusions.

Without money the elites would have no control.

 

That is a theory, not a fact. There are scientists and geologists who believe the exact opposite; that oil is an ABIOTIC substance that is constantly being produced deep within the earth.

Most scientific evidence refutes the "peak oil" theory, which is being used to justify increased oil prices and artificial scarcity. The peak oil myth plays right into the hands of the big oil companies, who are working in tandem with the environmental movement to disseminate this propaganda that we are running out of oil.

And even if we were running out of oil - which we're not - there are alternative forms of free energy technology that exist, but are being suppressed by the powers that be.

 

How do we know this? How much oil is in the earth? Does anyone know or is it just estimates? Who is the experts doing the research? In who is interests are they working? Who is paying for research?

 

Money is a tool for control.

 

This is mostly true, and those who support socialism and communism want to further this consolidation, because socialism and communism consolidate wealth and power in the hands of the state, which is owned by the big banks. In the end, it's not about money. It's about control.

At least with capitalism, people have some freedom to do what they want. This doesn't mean I support capitalism as it currently exists, because what we have today is not true free-market capitalism. What we have today is monopoly capitalism, which is in fact socialism combined with capitalism. I call this supercapitalism.

Yes, and you want to give them more of your money. You want the government to have MORE power and MORE control over your life. You want the government to tell you how to live. Don't you know anything about the communist system you supposedly support?

Not at all. Government is necessary to maintain order in a society. I simply favor MINIMAL government which works for the people (not against the people) and adheres to the Constitution that was designed to protect us from the corruption we are currently witnessing.

Under a fascist dictatorship (which is where we are headed), it doesn't matter if the people are against it or not. Many people will accept the microchip if it means living vs. starving to death. I will not accept the microchip. I would rather starve to death in a FEMA concentration camp than be a slave of the state.

Microchips are real, and the day is coming when everyone will be forced to take the chip. MARK MY WORD!

Again, they print the money. They control the flow of currency. The reason they want to transfer the wealth from the public to the state is because wealth in the hands of the public equals freedom and power. Freedom and power in the hands of the common man is contrary to what the Elite want for humanity, which is TOTAL CONTROL and TOTAL ENSLAVEMENT!