a new investigation for drug creators

think about it.. the only thign that makes the stoned mind inferior to the sober mind is the memory sector.

this of course leads to many situations where the stoned mind falters, but all faults can be led back to parts of the memory functions of the brain.

if this could somehow be overcome, the human mind could be blasted into new levels. for, studies are showing that the effects of marijuana simply is: more brain activity. signals in teh brain are increased.
the sideaffect is that short term memory is lack..

now ive thought about this alot, and i am immensely interested in human evolution. short term memory is not a trait all animals have. most animals in fact do not have a short term memory. short term memory is where human advancement stems from, i believe, and i think the learning function may have come purely out of the short term memory. in evolution, all traits gained must somehow, directly or indirectly aid a specie's survival more than the previous state. (i have my own thoughts as to showing this is wrong, but that doesnt end up discrediting this theory so i'll jsut continue)
and so, if short term memory was evolved, then it msut mean it is an important or perhaps crucial element of human survival.

when we smoke, we lose parts of our memory functions. since these are abilities that are almost only present (at least at our level) in humans, they are waht has lifted humanity 'above' animals as a species. (another topic i could write pages on, and dont agree with, but the phrase works for demonstrations sake) so its like, when we smoke, we loose part of our human element that makes the species in teh direction that it is, the civilised one, of tools and technology.

this is waht makes weed a threat to the capitalist society we live in, which thrives on the human elements we loose when we get stoned.

and so, if we can find a way to get stoned, and yet increase memory and thinking functions, then it would really be the best drug in the world, and for humanity as a whole.

speed 'n' weed is on the way there, but involves meth... though maybe thats where society is headed anyway?

i will try not to be embarrased if teh first person who posts points out some point ive missed that would make everyhting vie jsut said complete hogstroddish, or that i started talking about soimething then stopped mid sentance and started talking about soemthing else, but you know, im stoned so yeh. i originally intended on making a one line post...

 

Thats deep man I like it.

 

Maybe. Animals have short term memory, if they didn't, the horse would forget what it's doing with all that hay, and the bird would be like, "wtf, why do I have this stick in my mouth" when making it's nest. But they don't have the span that we have. Humans can hold between 5 and 9 "chunks" of info in their head at once, depending on the person; the average is 7. That like, maybe 7 numbers, 7 names, whatever. You can use grouping to remember more (so instead of 5 and 1 being two seperate chunks, make it 51 so it's only one).

Anyways, animals don't have the ability to remember as much at one time. So you're half right, but it's not like only humans have a short term memory.

And if you want the "stoned" mind to be everything it could be, I say we already have the answer; lay off the weed and just meditate. Awareness is better for human advancement than being stoned (I say that in full knowledge that I'm about to go out back and smoke a bowl).

 

uggg too stoned to make sense of it...

 

well, lots of animals do have barely any attention span.

its not that they cant remember waht theyre doing, but if something distracts them, theyd forget about waht they were doing.

its teh same with being stoned. if you keep on teh same track, you can concentrate good on thigns. but when you start thinking about different concepts, you start to forget how you started the sentance lol. its jsut that animals dont have as many thigns to distract themselves with as stoned humans do lol. but yeh when yours toned you can have like no short term memory. but i mean, memory of like a minut beforehand. animals wouldnt forget it because the bird keeps re-entering into their memory that theyre holding the stick. they dont have as many thigns to think about but their direct survival, and their inherit traits of routine and instinct.
well it might not be for everyone but thats what ive observed with me and friends.

 

though, many animals do have much better attention spans than other animals. notice, they are generally the ones who manipulate their environments. birds build nests, and bowers, and hide thigns. they also have some of teh best memories of all teh animals.
but i dont remember what horses do with hay so ill leave tyhat one

oh yeh; when you get stoned, the part of the brain that works with recognising thigns is stimulated more. thats why people int eh distance often look familiar, or patterns are seen in trees and stuff. animals have very good recognition skills, especially compared to humans. animals remember sights, smells, tastes, much better than humans do. though.. when stoned, remembering thigns is hard.. recognising thigns isnt. we often over-recognise thigns.

but im not trying to say when we get stoned, we get the midn of teh animal, im jsut making links that show that marijuana simply counteracts many traits that humans have over most other animals. its not that humans having thigns that animals dont, its that humans have teh most advanced forms of some thigns (though we are the least advanced in -most- areas) and all animals can be placed sort of on a scale down from humans in the traits that humans think make them the msot superior animals.

capiche?

 

I think it seems like humans can't recognize things as well, but if you think about it, we have a million different distractions in our modern environment. We know this leads to short attention spans. So it might not be a natural human triat, might just be another byproduct of the modern lifestyle.

By the way, a horse eats hay.

 

I think that mabey animals don't really need so much of a short term memory and they act on instict alone and that that is the way we should act as well. it just seems more natural. but ya i came up with that stoned so it might not make anysense

 

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id apreciate it if you justified your points like trippin has, LL

and to clear somethign up at teh start, as trippin said, its nor really the length of short term memory but the amount of thoughts that can be held. well, for humans that translates to having a short memory span when stoned because thoguhts are coming in so fast that its impossible to keep track of them, and we overdo our memory packets. so when i talk about short term memory i mean having less memory 'packets', but it ends up meaning the same thing for human's sake.


lets talk a bit on teh chemical side of thigns

this is new researech happening right now, not 30 years ago or something

as we all know, delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol is the main chemical that gets us high. they now know that it mimics edno-cannabinoids, which are fatty acids and have now been found to be responsible for a newly descovered type of brain signalling.

at most synapses all around the body, there is the conventional signal-reciever system. however noiw they have found a enw system, which involves inhibition signals. after the signal has done its suitable job, inhibitor chemicals block off the intake of new signals.

they are finding that this is related to storing short term memory, amongst other thigns.

cannabinoids block these inhibitors. they inhibit inhibition of teh brain.

and so, the effects of marijuana are to increase brain-activity, by inhibiting the ihnibition, therefor simply amplifying all signals in teh brain that work with this inhibition system.

now, if we can get over the discussion that humans have the best short term memory, its simple, no other animal can store a whole 50 minute - lecture of information in their head, or remember the plot to lord of the rings. humans can. humans have -probably- the best short term memory of all animals (but thats irrelevant, whats relevant is that its much better than most animals, and is better then monkeys, where we are meant to come from)

this further goes to say that humans have evolved to have greater short term memory, and so require this inhibition system

which makes sense again with regards to the fact that humans have bad senses (when younget stoned, you can taste and smell and see better [many ppl will say NO! but remember to take into account the psychological effects of weed on humans, and teh fact that it obviosuly is going to have some sideaffects, being a foreign chemical]), but mroe importabntly humans have less impulses, less erges than animals, but when they get stoned, impulses are increased.

and so, the move to greater short term memory has a sideaffect of less impulses and stuff. but that is required in human evolution as well, since humans are meant to be the ones who are able to use logic, and not get distracted by nature.

anyway teh point is:

marijuana = increased brain activity
. = decreased short term memory

and so if we can allow for our memory to be fixed
we have increased brain activity

but not in teh same way as meth and coke and caffiene and stimulants and stuff.

i cant really explain that bit though, you just need to take the drugs to understand.

if artists and philosophers could harness this out of weed, they would instantly be able to increase their potential for abstract thought.

as a recreational drug, people would break less thigns and loose less things and probably wouldnt get addicted as easily (perhaps more easily; less probable though)

it could be used as a psychiatric tool


now, LL propose other problems with the stoned mind compared tothe sober mind.


youve got some misconceptions about waht ive said

when i say drug creators i obviosuly dont mean hand a brief to a drug company and make it for the good of teh world. i mean it is a theory that chemists can look into, on teh underground scene.

but anywya, this sort of drug would still have the affects of marijuana, and would probably help people with ADD/ADHD or other sorts of probalems.
(psst by the way drug companies never do anything good, most drugs are bad for people, they are unethical groups, and most psychological medications do more bad for people than good, so dont make out liek drug companies have a moral obligation to do 'good' and 'help' people)

i do not mean to say we devolve directly, but part of our evolved human element is inhibited. but we maintain many thigns that keep us from just becoming animals. however, in the context of society, we do loose important evolved traits that we drop, we dont loose them, we just dont use them. thigns such as modesty, commitment, duty, conservative thinking, and simple compliance to systems. these sorts of thigns dont really run in line with getting stoned.


ive jsut tried to simplify many thgisn for the purposes of dicsussion in teh forums, the actual processes that i keep referring to are often much more complex than simple functions, but thats only relevant when the precise affects are subject, and we are very much jsut talking on a broader, easier to analyse term-base.

fuck i hope any of that made sense, i jsut woke up, tunred on computer, smoked weed, and then came here to forums, i dont even remember waht i just said but that happens often

 

oh.. i didnt realise it was that long lol
sorry

 

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i wasnt annoyed that you opposed my theory, i was annoyed that you just said 'thats bullshit' wihtout saying even a sentance as to why

 

Bill, when you say "impulses" do you mean instincts? If not, I disagree, humans have just as many impulses as animals, we are very emotional creatures and do a lot of random impulsive things. However, we do display far less instinctual behavior. Also, you seem to think that if we lose our short term memory we become animals, but the fact is, we ARE animals, all the time. And I wouldn't call it devolving; it's just a different state of being.

By the way, a species cannot "devolve." Evolution isn't like a ladder with humans at the top and everything else at different stages of evolving into humans; so you can't actually be "less evolved." Everything is as evolved as it has to be, always. Even a million years ago, the ape-men (ex: Homo erectus) were as evolved as they needed to be to live in their environment. The sooner we stop looking at evolution as a progression to human kind, the best and the most evolved, the better life on Earth will be

Other than that, good post, I didn't know that about THC inhibiting the inhibitor chemicals. Very interesting.

 

"the only thign that makes the stoned mind inferior to the sober mind is the memory sector."

Not really, THC to name but one drug adversely effects inter-neural connectivity and general synaptic transmissions on a vast and complex scale. This can effect everything from motor coordination to hypathalmus activity in controlling appetite. Cerebral activity is massively effected by the introduction of a new chemical...memory or the ability to recall is but one small factor

 

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yeh trippin, i was only using thos terms for 'humanification' of the explination of my theory. i beleive humans are animals like all others, and i dont beleive humans are at the top of anything. howeverr, for certain -traits-, animals can be ranked in how far theyve evolved in certain directions, and humans are at the top or near the top of these particular traits im referring to in the posts.

and dsypysdyspysp , my personal findings have shown none of the thigns that people often relate to as an altered mind, where you do against waht you think of feel thigns you shouldnt. apetite is the same as normal when stoned.. except the signal for apetite is not inhibited.
when your motorskills are bad when your stoned youll find its more because youve clumsily forgotten to moove out of the way of something, or forgotten you put something down next to your feet, or forgotten your holding something;the only other thgins that hinders movement really is depth perception. ive found i can control my body better when stoned, as long as im thinkning about it my body.

like, i could never jack off with ly left arm before last night, i got stoned and tought myself, because i could control my arm, and concentrate on the movements. now i know thats not waht everyone wanted to hear, but its just going to my point.

for example if i eat heaps before getting stoned, i dont really get the munchies.

 

and yeh dont worry LL