A peaceful way to change the currupt government

Discussion in 'Protest' started by Sign Related, Jul 9, 2007.

  1. Sign Related

    Sign Related The Don Killuminati

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    What is another peaceful way to overthrow the government besides voicing concerns and voting?

    A way that involves no killing = boycott money which = an inner shut down of the United States. Maybe a boycott on money would cause the ppl to not be slaves to this systematic lacking of earning potential any longer. [​IMG]

    Think about it... What would happen if everyone in the U.S. walked out on their job to boycott money on a specific date and told consumers to just help themselves?--And instead of earning and using money, that day and onward till the government changes, everyone in the U.S. instead would steal things needed and/or wanted? What could the government do to stop that? There is no law on walking out on a job is there?

    I figure only certain top notch bi*ch ass government official employees would keep working in their field to try to run the U.S. and give it order. I also figure certain doctors wouldnt be able to walk out to boycott money because that may cause deaths of certain ppl. So these certian doctors would have to stay working to avoid big time penalties.

    (BTW, are there any other crucial jobs that would have to have workers keep working besides certain doctors attending to certain patiants any of you know of?)

    Anyhow, I think this could work to change the current corrupt U.S. government into a better government that doesnt want to face anarchy. If we all cant have enough money to make it in life then none of us should have money and we should just all steal to equal things out for all citizens.

    What say you on this matter? What would a boycott of money cause? Or rather, what would a national worker walk out and strike cause in this nation?
     
  2. Magical Fire Lady

    Magical Fire Lady Senior Member

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    I say its potentially a good idea definitly. But I don't think enough people would go through with it.
     
  3. rebelfight420

    rebelfight420 Banned

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    never read thoreau or gandhi?
     
  4. WalkerInTheWoods

    WalkerInTheWoods Member

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    If you could get enough people to just get up, walk out, and sit down outside and not move until the government bowed down to us (as it should) then we could have change right now. But would enough people do this?

    I think a slower protest sort of along the lines you mentioned would be to stop being part of the insanely consumer driven economy. Big corporations and big government thrive on people spending money. What would happen if suddenly people changed their spending habits? Don't get into debt, get out if you are, don't buy big name brands and/or those products produced by big corporations, don't shop at the big corporate stores, be more of a saver than a spender, reuse and get/buy second hand and used items instead of buying new, and try to live below the level of income where you have to pay taxes. Hit them were it hurts the most in the most peaceful and legal ways. :)
     
  5. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    It's true that money does effectively hold most Americans in slavery. But I don't think something like that is necessary. What people need to do is just start standing up and refusing to cooperate when the government tries to take more of their rights away. Complacency is the obstacle that needs to be overcome. They're only on the top because we're all holding them up. It's time to let them fall.

    When they come out with their new fascistic policies, people just have to say, "Tough shit, I'm not getting a National ID Card." Just like that. Because it's a slippery slope. People just agree to things they don't like for the sake of convenience. "It'll be easier if I just go along with it." But the problem is, it doesn't end there. You go for the ID Card, then it'll be microchips. Microchips are a definite part of the agenda. Don't let them put one in you.
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Very true, and doesn't involve theft.
     
  7. steenarina

    steenarina Member

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    there already are microchips man. the way they are making the rf ids sound, if you refuse to carry one you must be a terrorist right? i think its is a combination of fear and convenience that keeps us under the control of the government.if we can let go of our sweet suburbia lives where everything is so close and convenient then we might have a chance. there are so many small things that you can do during your day that could have an impact. if enough people did those small things everyday, they wouldn't be so small anymore...honestly i could go on about this forever. but anyways, the point is that we need more participation and more people willing to sacrifice convenience and stand up to "the man" and just peacefully say no we aren't going to live like this anymore.
    i like your idea, its a meaningful one. but people cant just steal everything. it would create chaos. maybe a bartering system instead?
     
  8. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    I know there are already microships. They're small enough to be inserted via hypodermic needles. But they aren't mandatory at the moment. That is the goal, and if people go for that, they will be completely screwed.

    You see, even though the chips can track you and monitor your body, the messages going from the chip to the computer are nowhere near as serious as the ones going the other way: computer to chip. Because, with these chips, they can actually manipulate your body. They can make you violent or docile, raise or lower your sex drive, and other things of this nature. And they can do it individually or en masse. If people accept these implants, there is no going back.
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    We all caved on pre-employment screenings, first it was drugs now it's credit. We were sold that it would protect our safety. Then we were sold HMO's and deregulation. What it did was make us more maleable and liable to agree to anything in order to get a job or insurance. The public should have followed Nalancer's advice then.
     
  10. *dave*

    *dave* Member

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    ANARCHY !!!!!!!!!!!
    :party:
     
  11. rebelfight420

    rebelfight420 Banned

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    ^ Anarchy? According to whom you? N
     
  12. rebelfight420

    rebelfight420 Banned

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    Non-cooperation and peaceful resistance - Meaning if a Government official demands something do not give them your obideance no matter if they kill you.

    Do not purchase anything from government live simmply as possible have one set of clothes. And walk as often as possible share cars.

    Quote from wikipedia "The nonviolent approach to social struggle represents a radical departure from conventional thinking about both power and conflict, and yet appeals to a number of widely shared values and everyday ethics."

    Protest marches , Public meetings,virgils etc...

    non-cooperation-refusal to pay taxes refusal to be bailed from prison etc...

    physical intervention - Blockades,sit-ins,occupations

    Hunger strikes, pickets, vigils, petitions, sit-ins, tax refusal, go-slows, blockades, draft refusal and public demonstrations are some of the specific techniques

    This is a list of non-violent actions

    FORMAL STATEMENTS
    Public speeches
    Letters of opposition or support
    Declarations by organizations and institutions
    Signed public declarations
    Declarations of indictment and intention
    Group or mass petitions
    COMMUNICATIONS WITH A WIDER AUDIENCE
    Slogans, caricatures, and symbols
    Banners, posters, and displayed communications
    Leaflets, pamphlets, and books
    Newspapers and journals
    Records, radio, and television
    Skywriting and earthwriting
    GROUP REPRESENTATIONS
    Deputations
    Mock awards
    Group lobbying
    Picketing
    Mock elections
    SYMBOLIC PUBLIC ACTS
    Displays of flags and symbolic colours
    Wearing of symbols
    Prayer and worship
    Delivering symbolic objects
    Protest disrobings
    Destruction of own property
    Symbolic lights
    Displays of portraits
    Paint as protest
    New signs and names
    Symbolic sounds
    Symbolic reclamations
    Rude gestures
    PRESSURES ON INDIVIDUALS
    "Haunting" officials
    Taunting officials
    Fraternization
    Vigils
    DRAMA AND MUSIC
    Humourous skits and pranks
    Performances of plays and music
    Singing
    PROCESSIONS
    Marches
    Parades
    Religious processions
    Pilgrimages
    Motorcades
    HONOURING THE DEAD
    Political mourning
    Mock funerals
    Demonstrative funerals
    Homage at burial places
    PUBLIC ASSEMBLIES
    Assemblies of protest or support
    Protest meetings
    Camouflaged meetings of protest
    Teach-ins
    WITHDRAWAL AND RENUNCIATION
    Walk-outs
    Silence
    Renouncing honours
    Turning one's back
    THE METHODS OF SOCIAL NONCOOPERATION
    OSTRACISM OF PERSONS
    Social boycott
    Selective social boycott
    Lysistratic nonaction
    Excommunication
    Interdict
    NONCOOPERATION WITH SOCIAL EVENTS, CUSTOMS, AND INSTITUTIONS
    Suspension of social and sports activities
    Boycott of social affairs
    Student strike
    Social disobedience
    Withdrawal from social institutions
    WITHDRAWAL FROM THE SOCIAL SYSTEM
    Stay-at-home
    Total personal noncooperation
    "Flight" of workers
    Sanctuary
    Collective disappearance
    Protest emigration (hijrat)
    THE METHODS OF ECONOMIC NONCOOPERATION: ECONOMIC BOYCOTTS
    ACTION BY CONSUMERS
    Consumers' boycott
    Nonconsumption of boycotted goods
    Policy of austerity
    Rent withholding
    Refusal to rent
    National consumers' boycott
    International consumers' boycott
    ACTION BY WORKERS AND PRODUCERS
    Workers' boycott
    Producers' boycott
    ACTION BY MIDDLEMEN
    Suppliers' and handlers' boycott
    ACTION BY OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT
    Traders' boycott
    Refusal to let or sell property
    Lockout
    Refusal of industrial assistance
    Merchants' "general strike"
    ACTION BY HOLDERS OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES
    Withdrawal of bank deposits
    Refusal to pay fees, dues, and assessments
    Refusal to pay debts or interest
    Severance of funds and credit
    Revenue refusal
    Refusal of a government's money
    ACTION BY GOVERNMENTS
    Domestic embargo
    Blacklisting of traders
    International sellers' embargo
    International buyers' embargo
    International trade embargo
    THE METHODS OF ECONOMIC NONCOOOPERATION: THE STRIKE
    SYMBOLIC STRIKES
    Protest strike
    Quickie walkout (lightning strike)
    AGRICULTURAL STRIKES
    Peasant strike
    100. Farm workers' strike
    STRIKES BY SPECIAL GROUPS
    Refusal of impressed labour
    Prisoners' strike
    Craft strike
    Professional strike
    ORDINARY INDUSTRIAL STRIKES
    Establishment strike
    Industry strike
    Sympathy strike
    RESTRICTED STRIKES
    Detailed strike
    Bumper strike
    Slowdown strike
    Working-to-rule strike
    Reporting "sick" (sick-in)
    Strike by resignation
    Limited strike
    Selective strike
    MULTI-INDUSTRY STRIKES
    Generalised strike
    General strike
    COMBINATION OF STRIKES AND ECONOMIC CLOSURES
    Hartal
    Economic shutdown
    THE METHODS OF POLITICAL NONCOOPERATION
    REJECTION OF AUTHORITY
    Withholding or withdrawal of allegiance
    Refusal of public support
    Literature and speeches advocating resistance
    CITIZENS' NONCOOPERATION WITH GOVERNMENT
    Boycott of legislative bodies
    Boycott of elections
    Boycott of government employment and positions
    Boycott of government departments, agencies, and other bodies
    Withdrawal from governmental educational institutions
    Boycott of government-supported institutions
    Refusal of assistance to enforcement agents
    Removal of own signs and placemarks
    Refusal to accept appointed officials
    Refusal to dissolve existing institutions
    CITIZENS' ALTERNATIVES TO OBEDIENCE
    Reluctant and slow compliance
    Nonobedience in absence of direct supervision
    Popular nonobedience
    Disguised disobedience
    Refusal of an assemblage or meeting to disperse
    Sitdown
    Noncooperation with conscription and deportation
    Hiding, escape, and false identities
    Civil disobedience of "illegitimate" laws
    ACTION BY GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL
    Selective refusal of assistance by government aides
    Blocking of lines of command and information
    Stalling and obstruction
    General administrative noncooperation
    Judicial noncooperation
    Deliberate inefficiency and selective noncooperation by enforcement agents
    Mutiny
    DOMESTIC GOVERNMENTAL ACTION
    Quasi-legal evasions and delays
    Noncooperation by constituent governmental units
    INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENTAL ACTION
    Changes in diplomatic and other representation
    Delay and cancellation of diplomatic events
    Withholding of diplomatic recognition
    Severance of diplomatic relations
    Withdrawal from international organisations
    Refusal of membership in international bodies
    Expulsion from international organisations
    THE METHODS OF NONVIOLENT INTERVENTION
    PSYCHOLOGICAL INTERVENTION
    Self-exposure to the elements
    The fast
    a) Fast of moral pressure
    b) Hunger strike
    c) Satyagrahic fast
    Reverse trial
    Nonviolent harassment
    PHYSICAL INTERVENTION
    Sit-in
    Stand-in
    Ride-in
    Wade-in
    Mill-in
    Pray-in
    Nonviolent raids
    Nonviolent air raids
    Nonviolent invasion
    Nonviolent interjection
    Nonviolent obstruction
    Nonviolent occupation
    SOCIAL INTERVENTION
    Establishing new social patterns
    Overloading of facilities
    Stall-in
    Speak-in
    Guerrilla theatre
    Alternative social institutions
    Alternative communication system
    ECONOMIC INTERVENTION
    Reverse strike
    Stay-in strike
    Nonviolent land seizure
    Defiance of blockades
    Politically motivated counterfeiting
    Preclusive purchasing
    Seizure of assets
    Dumping
    Selective patronage
    Alternative markets
    Alternative transportation systems
    Alternative economic institutions
    POLITICAL INTERVENTION
    Overloading of administrative systems
    Disclosing identities of secret agents
    Seeking imprisonment
    Civil disobedience of "neutral" laws
    Work-on without collaboration
    Dual sovereignty and parallel government
     
  13. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Not anarachy...personal responsibility and involvement in government, it's what the US constitution is based on, contrary to what Bush and Cheney would like you to believe. They feel our government is based on executive rule.

    They also should be accountable to the American Public at large (Election does not grant kinghood!). I find it hard to understand how we can spread democracy while we allow the very fabric of the constitution to be rendered irrelevant by the constant use of executive priveledge without accountability. The congress is also complicent in that they have allowed these abuses.
     
  14. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Our founders and the drafters of the constitution gave us the tools to stop this. If we don't trade our rights for false promises of security.

    All you gun lovers what good are your guns if your no longer have any other freedoms. Maybe... that you will have the proper firearms to go quail hunting with Cheney?
     
  15. rebelfight420

    rebelfight420 Banned

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    ^Dont you realize the forces that would be against them not to mention a violent revolution would put them into a extreme minority. Would good is a shotgun against an f-16? Why not us something that all men possess the ability to refuse cooperation? Wouldnt a violent insurrection only validate them using force against us?
     
  16. anarchypeace

    anarchypeace Member

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    this a realy good idea. some anarchist collectives do similiar things on smaller scales. basically they all go in to a store. and load up on what they need and all run/walk out at the same time.
     
  17. TokeTrip

    TokeTrip Senior Member

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    You just made my favorite thread i've seen in quite sometime, because of the inquisitiveness of it. You acknowledge you don't understand how this would affect the government and society, but know enough to know that you don't and lack the stupid pride that so many people have. If that didn't make sense, it was a compliment.

    A boycott of money would be incredibly ineffective simply because of the way the world monetary system works. What would essentially happen (if literally every non-essential worker left work can't really be gauged; my estimatation would be that the resulting firings would crush the United States economy, and as a result the major importing countries (ones that export to the US) would suffer. As a result of this, China and other major importers would sell off their cash reserves, crashign the United States currency.

    "If we all cant have enough money to make it in life then none of us should have money and we should just all steal to equal things out for all citizens."

    Your third paragraph is utterly misguided. The problem with the idea presented is that it ignores the production of the goods and the money it takes to make them. Were everybody to steal items to even the world out, then the stores would go out of business rather quickly. Their purchasing power would decrease, and their quantity of items purchase would be reduced, while price increases. This causes inflation, which is the reduction in the value of money. Were this to happen on a large scale in the United States suddenly, a huge number of jobs would be lost, furthering the cycle. But as these stores lose money, the manufacturers and the jobs there would decrease as operating costs increase and sales decrease. The cycle continues to where nearly everyone is poor and needs to steal, but there is no production and we all die.
     
  18. madlizard

    madlizard Senior Member

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    You inspire me.
     
  19. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    His message is the most rational...just say no, the Government sold young people on that with drugs and sex, it's time we as a society woke up and bought into it's simplicity. Just say NO! like Nalencer outlined.
     
  20. madlizard

    madlizard Senior Member

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    Precisely.
     
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