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This website is brilliant http://www.animalcrackers.org.uk/

 

Nice try, but I've seen gorillas eating smaller monkeys. they can and do eat meat when it suits them. try again.

Meat is the shiiiiit, even gorillas know

 

Gorillas aren't vegans. They eat termites and ants regularly.

 

All baboons have long dog-like muzzles; heavy, powerful jaws with sharp canine teeth; close-set eyes; thick fur except on their muzzle; a short tail; and rough spots on their protruding buttocks, called ischial callosities. These calluses are nerveless, hairless pads of skin that provide for the sitting comfort of the baboon.

 

Shouldn't it be comparing chimps to humans, and gorillas are def not vegans.

 

Neither are squirrels.. Lol. Squirrels will eat meat out of necessity, lack of other sustenance ..

 

That isn't a gorilla

 

She's got ya there :bobby:

 

Yeah you got me... lol

 

but thats just silly, we evolved from primates, not from Panthera. its like comparing a pine tree to a apple tree. sure they both have branch but they come from entire different genus. i really truly just feel that was a big fail on behalf of trying to convince people that eating meat is not natural



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXk5Z6-IHY"]YouTube - PREDATORS Meat Eating Chimps

through evolution we eat meat. humans are Omnivore's. meat is good and nutritious and tasty. we are hunter gather's its all about survival.


Many people assume I’m a vegetarian. Some people even equate “organic” with “vegetarian.” I’ve experimented with vegetarian eating over the years. I’ve even dated vegetarians (well, one). Aside from the fact that I think it’s challenging to eat well and healthfully without eating meat, I truly enjoy eating meat and find it physically satisfying.

But I also love animals and believe they are conscious, emotional, and aware beings who suffer just like we do…even chickens! And I absolutely loathe the practice of raising animals in Confined Animal Factory Operations (CAFO’s) just for the sake of cheap meat. I haven’t bought nonorganic meat in many years, though I’m sure I’ve eaten it at restaurants.

I do think, from what I’ve read, that part of our evolutionary advantage comes from our ability to cook and eat meat. I know at times I feel like I really need it for my body or my brain to function fully. (Interestingly, the older I get, the less often I feel this need.) A report today on Rodale.com says that teens who eat a vegetarian diet have a much higher likelihood of developing eating disorders. That’s not good. Especially because most vegetarian teens say they are giving up meat for environmental reasons.

A lot of people become vegetarians for environmental reasons. And I’ve done my homework on this one: It’s the CAFO’s that are the problem, not the animals. Until the last 100 years or so, animals have always been an essential, integrated part of any farm and farm family. Chickens keep bugs under control and provide eggs. Pigs eat slop and leftovers, and provide pork as well as lard, which was an essential cooking ingredient before olive oil became widely available. Cows provide beef, milk, butter, and cheese, and manure to fertilize the garden and farm fields. Goats keep the brush clear and also provide milk and cheese. Sheep provide meat and wool and keep the lawn mowed. All these animals provide warm and protective leathers. Smoked and preserved meats and cheeses provide food and excellent nutrition for people through the winter months when fresh fruits and vegetables are scarce.

Just yesterday I was visiting my friend Laura, who is a Mennonite (a Christian denomination similar to Amish). We were talking about this whole meat thing and she said, “Why, a farm is not a farm without animals!” As I pulled out of her driveway, two ducks were getting it on in her front yard.

Most of us don’t live like the Amish or Mennonites anymore, but there is an even more important reason than tradition to eat organic meat. Organically managed pasture land is an important way to store—rather than emit—carbon. New research is showing that the negative contribution to global warming that comes from eating meat is the byproduct of idiotic and destructive CAFO farming methods. It’s not just how they overcrowd animals as they try to raise thousands of cows in muddy concrete factories; it’s also how they feed them. CAFO animals are raised on chemically produced, genetically modified (GM) corn. Millions of acres of corn are planted using seed that’s been genetically altered to resist the effects of weed-killing chemicals like Roundup, which allows the fields to be doused with higher levels of herbicides. These chemicals are contaminating our soil, our water, our bodies, and our children’s future. And cows don’t even like corn! Cows stomachs were meant to eat grass. So corn (and the other garbage they get fed) makes cows sick and leads to the rampant use of antibiotics, which leads to antibiotic-resistant diseases like MRSA that kill humans (18,000 a year). Raising meats organically on well-managed organic pasture is actually good for the environment and good for cows. That’s why I think we should turn all of Iowa into grazing pastures instead of corn fields.

I always come back to what Bill Mollison, the founder of the Permaculture Institute, told me once: “Everything eats.” Even carrots have to “eat” nutrients in the soil (and maybe carrots have feelings we can’t see!). To be alive is to eat. To be conscious of ourselves and our world is to be aware of what and how we eat and of its impact on our bodies, our environment, and our future. For me, that means eating organic. Burgers included.

 

... but not as silly as comparing a carrot to, say, a chicken? ;-D

Hello. I appreciate your post though I believe most of what you've written is off the mark. Well, reasonable people can disagree! I do however want to address one point in particular.

Really. And maybe if you drop an apple from a tree it will soar into the stratosphere rather than fall to the ground! The point is, animals, unlike carrots, have both a nervous system and a brain that allows for sentience - that is, allows for the capability of experiencing both pleasure and pain. If you're going to equate any sentient being with a plant then you should do better than rely on feelings you can't see or (thus far anyway) explain. As it stands, your equating of plants to animals, seems to me, to have for its chief attraction the conveinence of its happening to agree with your already held opinion.

It's not about life, it's about sentience.

 

monkey+lizard = people..:alien:

 

Tell that to the starving kids round the world....so no, it's always about life!

 

Tell that to a plant!

 

Where should I speak into a plants ears at, anywhere the plant can pick up my sound waves via a data collecting organ that can be interpreted by a thinking, feeling brain?

Don't get me wrong, I don't really eat meat all that much. But it's not like it's a choice, I just don't really like it all that much. I mostly just eat chicken & turkey from time to time.

 

I'm not trying to but I don't understand what you wrote; which is okay as far as I'm concerned. I just wanted to to let you know.

 

If im not telling it to the cow, why would i go further down the food chain?

 

Plants not only have (or are at least receptive to) feelings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntv4ZMvUSWI&feature=related"]YouTube - Cleve Baxter - Plants can sense human intentions

But they even protect each other:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t982ytY9w6E&feature=related"]YouTube - The Extrasensory perception of plants

 

No, they do not have feelings. Everybody knows that plants, trees, and so on have intelligence at the cellular level. It's nothing to build a case on. A human fetus, prior to the formation of its brain, will instinctually withdraw from a sharp object. Great, but it isn;t the bar for sentience, or for having feelings - whatever that is supposed to mean anyway. Here is what it is: you need a functioning brain.

 

I don't know. You say it's always about life and then (seems to me) here you imply that's it's not always about life.