A question about the CIA

love-laughter · Feb 11, 2011

Read all of this and answer my question below.

A Timeline Of CIA Atrocities

1929: The culture we lost - Secretary of State Henry Stimson refuses to endorse a code-breaking operation, saying, "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail."

1941: COI created - In preparation for World War II, President Roosevelt creates the Office of Coordinator of Information (COI). General William "Wild Bill" Donovan heads the new intelligence service.

1942: OSS created - Roosevelt restructures COI into something more suitable for covert action, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Donovan recruits so many of the nation's rich and powerful that eventually people joke that "OSS" stands for "Oh, so social!" or "Oh, such snobs!"

1943: Italy - Donovan recruits the Catholic Church in Rome to be the center of Anglo-American spy operations in Fascist Italy. This would prove to be one of America's most enduring intelligence alliances in the Cold War.

1945: OSS is abolished - The remaining American information agencies cease covert actions and return to harmless information gathering and analysis.

Operation PAPERCLIP - While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the "intelligence" the former Nazis provide is bogus.

Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious "missile gap." To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Galen was supposed to protect.

1947: Greece - President Truman requests military aid to Greece to support right-wing forces fighting communist rebels. For the rest of the Cold War, Washington and the CIA will back notorious Greek leaders with deplorable human rights records.

CIA created - President Truman signs the National Security Act of 1947, creating the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council. The CIA is accountable to the president through the NSC -there is no democratic or congressional oversight. Its charter allows the CIA to "perform such other functions and duties. As the National Security Council may from time to time direct." This loophole opens the door to covert action and dirty tricks.

1948: Covert-action wing created - The CIA recreates a covert action wing, innocuously called the Office of Policy Coordination, led by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisner. According to its secret charter, its responsibilities include "propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation procedures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

Italy - The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works - the communists are defeated.

1949: Radio Free Europe - The CIA creates its first major propaganda outlet, Radio Free Europe. Over the next several decades, its broadcasts are so blatantly false that for a time it is considered illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S.

Late 40's: Operation MOCKINGBIRD - The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham head the effort. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA's media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA's own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.

1953: Iran - CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.

Operation MK-ULTRA - Inspired by North Korea's brainwashing program, the CIA begins experiments on mind control. The most notorious part of this project involves giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide. However, the operation involves far more than this. Funded in part by the Rockefeller and Ford foundations, research includes propaganda, brainwashing, public relations, advertising, hypnosis, and other forms of suggestion.

1954: Guatemala - CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 y North Vietnam - CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA's continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.

1954-1958: North Vietnam - CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA's continuing failure results in escalating American intervention and finally the Vietnam War.

1956: Hungary - Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev's Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.

1957-1973: Laos - The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos' democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Army Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA's army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

1959: Haiti - The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1961: The Bay of Pigs - The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro's Cuba. But "Operation Mongoose" fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion would spark a popular uprising against Castro - which never happens. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA's first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.

Dominican Republic - The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo's business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.

Ecuador - The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.

Congo (Zaire) - The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba's politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.

1963: Dominican Republic - The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right wing junta.

Ecuador - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.

1964: Brazil - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America's first death squads, or bands of secret police that hunt down "communists" for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these "communists" are no more than Branco's political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.

1965: Indonesia - The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being "communist." The CIA supplies the names of countless suspects.

Dominican Republic - A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country's elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes.

Greece - With the CIA's backing, the king removes George Papandreous as prime minister. Papandreous has failed to vigorously support U.S. interests in Greece.

Congo (Zaire) - A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor country for billions.

1966: The Ramparts Affair - The radical magazine Ramparts begins a series of unprecedented anti-CIA articles. Among their scoops: the CIA has paid the University of Michigan $25 million dollars to hire "professors" to train South Vietnamese students in covert police methods. MIT and other universities have received similar payments. Ramparts also reveal that the National Students' Association is a CIA front. Students are sometimes recruited through blackmail and bribery, including draft deferments.

1967: Greece - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the liberal candidate. During the next six years, the "reign of the colonels" - backed by the CIA - will usher in the widespread use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cypress, Johnson tells him: "Fuck your parliament and your constitution."

Operation PHEONIX - The CIA helps South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in South Vietnamese villages. According to a 1971 congressional report, this operation killed about 20,000 "Viet Cong."

1968: Operation CHAOS - The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.

Bolivia - A CIA-organized military operation captures legendary guerilla Che Guevara. The CIA wants to keep him alive for interrogation, but the Bolivian government executes him to prevent worldwide calls for clemency.

1969: Uruguay - The notorious CIA torturer Dan Mitrione arrives in Uruguay, a country torn with political strife. Whereas right-wing forces previously used torture only as a last resort, Mitrione convinces them to use it as a routine, widespread practice. "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect," is his motto. The torture techniques he teaches to the death squads rival the Nazis'. He eventually becomes so feared that revolutionaries will kidnap and murder him a year later.

1970: Cambodia - The CIA overthrows Prince Sahounek, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.

1971: Bolivia - After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed.

Haiti - "Papa Doc" Duvalier dies, leaving his 19-year old son "Baby Doc" Duvalier the dictator of Haiti. His son continues his bloody reign with full knowledge of the CIA.

1972: The Case-Zablocki Act - Congress passes an act requiring congressional review of executive agreements. In theory, this should make CIA operations more accountable. In fact, it is only marginally effective.

Cambodia - Congress votes to cut off CIA funds for its secret war in Cambodia.

Watergate Break-in - President Nixon sends in a team of burglars to wiretap Democratic offices at Watergate. The team members have extensive CIA histories, including James McCord, E. Howard Hunt and five of the Cuban burglars. They work for the Committee to Reelect the President (CREEP), which does dirty work like disrupting Democratic campaigns and laundering Nixon's illegal campaign contributions. CREEP's activities are funded and organized by another CIA front, the Mullen Company.

1973: Chile - The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America's first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin when Allende nationalizes American-owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA $1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.

CIA begins internal investigations - William Colby, the Deputy Director for Operations, orders all CIA personnel to report any and all illegal activities they know about. This information is later reported to Congress.

Watergate Scandal - The CIA's main collaborating newspaper in America, The Washington Post, reports Nixon's crimes long before any other newspaper take up the subject. The two reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, make almost no mention of the CIA's many fingerprints all over the scandal. It is later revealed that Woodward was a Naval intelligence briefer to the White House, and knows many important intelligence figures, including General Alexander Haig. His main source, "Deep Throat," is probably one of those.

CIA Director Helms Fired - President Nixon fires CIA Director Richard Helms for failing to help cover up the Watergate scandal. Helms and Nixon have always disliked each other. The new CIA director is William Colby, who is relatively more open to CIA reform.

1974: CHAOS exposed - Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh publishes a story about Operation CHAOS, the domestic surveillance and infiltration of anti-war and civil rights groups in the U.S. The story sparks national outrage.

Angleton fired - Congress holds hearings on the illegal domestic spying efforts of James Jesus Angleton, the CIA's chief of counterintelligence. His efforts included mail-opening campaigns and secret surveillance of war protesters. The hearings result in his dismissal from the CIA.

House clears CIA in Watergate - The House of Representatives clears the CIA of any complicity in Nixon's Watergate break-in.

The Hughes Ryan Act - Congress passes an amendment requiring the president to report non-intelligence CIA operations to the relevant congressional committees in a timely fashion.

1975: Australia - The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.

Angola - Eager to demonstrate American military resolve after its defeat in Vietnam, Henry Kissinger launches a CIA-backed war in Angola. Contrary to Kissinger's assertions, Angola is a country of little strategic importance and not seriously threatened by communism. The CIA backs the brutal leader of UNITAS, Jonas Savimbi. This polarizes Angolan politics and drives his opponents into the arms of Cuba and the Soviet Union for survival. Congress will cut off funds in 1976, but the CIA is able to run the war off the books until 1984, when funding is legalized again. This entirely pointless war kills over 300,000 Angolans.

"The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence" - Victor Marchetti and John Marks publish this whistle-blowing history of CIA crimes and abuses. Marchetti has spent 14 years in the CIA, eventually becoming an executive assistant to the Deputy Director of Intelligence. Marks has spent five years as an intelligence official in the State Department. "Inside the Company" - Philip Agee publishes a diary of his life inside the CIA. Agee has worked in covert operations in Latin America during the 60s, and details the crimes in which he took part.

Congress investigates CIA wrongdoing - Public outrage compels Congress to hold hearings on CIA crimes. Senator Frank Church heads the Senate investigation ("The Church Committee"), and Representative Otis Pike heads the House investigation. (Despite a 98 percent incumbency reelection rate, both Church and Pike are defeated in the next elections.) The investigations lead to a number of reforms intended to increase the CIA's accountability to Congress, including the creation of a standing Senate committee on intelligence. However, the reforms prove ineffective, as the Iran/Contra scandal will show. It turns out the CIA can control, deal with or sidestep Congress with ease.

The Rockefeller Commission - In an attempt to reduce the damage done by the Church Committee, President Ford creates the "Rockefeller Commission" to whitewash CIA history and propose toothless reforms. The commission's namesake, Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, is himself a major CIA figure. Five of the commission's eight members are also members of the Council on Foreign Relations, a CIA-dominated organization.

1979: Iran - The CIA fails to predict the fall of the Shah of Iran, a longtime CIA puppet, and the rise of Muslim fundamentalists who are furious at the CIA's backing of SAVAK, the Shah's bloodthirsty secret police. In revenge, the Muslims take 52 Americans hostage in the U.S. embassy in Tehran.

Afghanistan - The Soviets enters in Afghanistan. The CIA immediately begins supplying arms to any faction willing to fight the Soviets. Such indiscriminate arming means that when the Soviets leave Afghanistan, civil war will erupt. Also, fanatical Muslim extremists now possess state-of-the-art weaponry. One of these is Sheik Abdel Rahman, who will become involved in the World Trade Center bombing in New York.

El Salvador - An idealistic group of young military officers, repulsed by the massacre of the poor, overthrows the right-wing government. However, the U.S. compels the inexperienced officers to include many of the old guard in key positions in their new government. Soon, things are back to "normal" - the military government is repressing and killing poor civilian protesters. Many of the young military and civilian reformers, finding themselves powerless, resign in disgust.

Nicaragua - Anastasios Samoza II, the CIA-backed dictator, falls. The Marxist Sandinistas take over government, and they are initially popular because of their commitment to land and anti-poverty reform. Samoza had a murderous and hated personal army called the National Guard. Remnants of the Guard will become the Contras, who fight a CIA-backed guerilla war against the Sandinista government throughout the 1980s.

1980: El Salvador - The Archbishop of San Salvador, Oscar Romero, pleads with President Carter "Christian to Christian" to stop aiding the military government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses. Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D'Aubuisson has Romero shot through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the military government. The CIA and U.S. Armed Forces supply the government with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority. CIA-trained death squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in 1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By 1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed.

1981: Iran/Contra Begins - The CIA begins selling arms to Iran at high prices, using the profits to arm the Contras fighting the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. President Reagan vows that the Sandinistas will be "pressured" until "they say 'uncle.'" The CIA's Freedom Fighter's Manual disbursed to the Contras includes instruction on economic sabotage, propaganda, extortion, bribery, blackmail, interrogation, torture, murder and political assassination.

1983: Honduras - The CIA gives Honduran military officers the Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual - 1983, which teaches how to torture people. Honduras' notorious "Battalion 316" then uses these techniques, with the CIA's full knowledge, on thousands of leftist dissidents. At least 184 are murdered.

1984: The Boland Amendment - The last of a series of Boland Amendments is passed. These amendments have reduced CIA aid to the Contras; the last one cuts it off completely. However, CIA Director William Casey is already prepared to "hand off" the operation to Colonel Oliver North, who illegally continues supplying the Contras through the CIA's informal, secret, and self-financing network. This includes "humanitarian aid" donated by Adolph Coors and William Simon, and military aid funded by Iranian arms sales.

1986: Eugene Hasenfus - Nicaragua shoots down a C-123 transport plane carrying military supplies to the Contras. The lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, turns out to be a CIA employee, as are the two dead pilots. The airplane belongs to Southern Air Transport, a CIA front. The incident makes a mockery of President Reagan's claims that the CIA is not illegally arming the Contras.

Iran/Contra Scandal - Although the details have long been known, the Iran/Contra scandal finally captures the media's attention in 1986. Congress holds hearings, and several key figures (like Oliver North) lie under oath to protect the intelligence community. CIA Director William Casey dies of brain cancer before Congress can question him. All reforms enacted by Congress after the scandal are purely cosmetic.

Haiti - Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination.

1989: Panama - The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA's payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA's knowledge since 1972. By the late 80s, Noriega's growing independence and intransigence have angered Washington. So out he goes.

1990: Haiti - Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him. More military dictators brutalize the country, as thousands of Haitian refugees escape the turmoil in barely seaworthy boats. As popular opinion calls for Aristide's return, the CIA begins a disinformation campaign painting the courageous priest as mentally unstable.

1991: The Fall of the Soviet Union - The CIA fails to predict this most important event of the Cold War. This suggests that it has been so busy undermining governments that it hasn't been doing its primary job: gathering and analyzing information. The fall of the Soviet Union also robs the CIA of its reason for existence: fighting communism. This leads some to accuse the CIA of intentionally failing to predict the downfall of the Soviet Union. Curiously, the intelligence community's budget is not significantly reduced after the demise of communism.

1992: Economic Espionage - In the years following the end of the Cold War, the CIA is increasingly used for economic espionage. This involves stealing the technological secrets of competing foreign companies and giving them to American ones. Given the CIA's clear preference for dirty tricks over mere information gathering, the possibility of serious criminal behavior is very great indeed.

1993: Haiti - The chaos in Haiti grows so bad that President Clinton has no choice but to remove the Haitian military dictator, Raoul Cedras, on threat of U.S. invasion. The U.S. occupiers do not arrest Haiti's military leaders for crimes against humanity, but instead ensure their safety and rich retirements. Aristide is returned to power only after being forced to accept an agenda favorable to the country's ruling class.
Click to expand...

Considering what the CIA has already done and considering just how far they are willing to go to obtain their desired results.

Is it really that crazy to believe that Facebook is nothing more than another CIA backed endeavor?

lunarverse · Feb 11, 2011

You left out that they blew JFK's head open in 1963, but yea...I've never trusted Facebook. At first I just thought it was really stupid, then I realised that it's really stupid and shady.

TheMadcapSyd · Feb 11, 2011

love-laughter said:

Is it really that crazy to believe that Facebook is nothing more than another CIA backed endeavor?
Click to expand...

Yes, in fact it's fucking insane and most psychologists would probably declare it a symptom of unreasonable paranoia.

So why not tumblr, and myspace, and livejournal. In fact, THE ENTIRE INTERNET IS JUST A CIA DEVICE.

TheMadcapSyd · Feb 11, 2011

SOMEBODY ANSWER THIS

Because this is the one thing paranoid people can never answer and just like to conveniently ignore.

What information would they be getting from facebook.

You don't need a facebook to track an IP

Everyone's post on hipforums alone are far more incriminating than what most people have on facebook

And I really don't care if the entire world knows last night I was frying plantains.

lunarverse · Feb 11, 2011

TheMadcapSyd said:

SOMEBODY ANSWER THIS

What information would they be getting from facebook.
Click to expand...

All the schools you've gone to, all the names of the people you know, where you work, what kind's of things you're into, drug use, places you frequent, all sorts of pictures of you doing things, etc.

Lots of people have already lost their jobs over pictures of them doing things of FB. That's a little different, but nonetheless.

TheMadcapSyd · Feb 11, 2011

lunarverse said:

All the schools you've gone to, all the names of the people you know, where you work,]/quote]

These are all things that are public records and easy to find out long before facebook came around. Not to mention the fact you don't have to list any of that.
School records- public information, especially if you ever used a government loan or PELL grants
People you know - Social circles and media existed long before facebook, people knew who other people knew long before the internet too.
Where you work - If you pay taxes the government already knows where you work

what kind's of things you're into, drug use, places you frequent, all sorts of pictures of you doing things, etc.

Lots of people have already lost their jobs over pictures of them doing things of FB. That's a little different, but nonetheless.
Click to expand...

People who posts pictures of themselves doing illegal things on a webpage that has their name on it that they don't bother to make private doesn't make facebook a tool of the CIA, it makes some people idiots.
Click to expand...

lunarverse · Feb 11, 2011

TheMadcapSyd said:

lunarverse said:

All the schools you've gone to, all the names of the people you know, where you work,]/quote]

These are all things that are public records and easy to find out long before facebook came around. Not to mention the fact you don't have to list any of that.
School records- public information, especially if you ever used a government loan or PELL grants
People you know - Social circles and media existed long before facebook, people knew who other people knew long before the internet too.
Where you work - If you pay taxes the government already knows where you work

People who posts pictures of themselves doing illegal things on a webpage that has their name on it that they don't bother to make private doesn't make facebook a tool of the CIA, it makes some people idiots.
Click to expand...

All good points. I still think Facebook is stupid though. If it were a person I'd kick it in the colon.
Click to expand...

odon · Feb 11, 2011

lunarverse said:

All good points.
Click to expand...

You've never thought about those points before?

People seem to think Facebook auto-fills your entire life history just because you forgot to click on some opt-out option.

I still think Facebook is stupid though. If it were a person I'd kick it in the colon.
Click to expand...

Fair enough. I won't be seeing you around there then

Lots of people have already lost their jobs over pictures of them doing things of FB. That's a little different, but nonetheless.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I think when Facebook first started, and people left their account open for anybody to view, and posted anything and everything, employers were a little less than impressed if your actions brought disrepute to the company.
If you are managing a big account and the clients Facebook your name and see you smoking a big fat joint, it doesn't look to good.
Plus, I can imagine some uptight conservative company sacking people for being pro-choice etc.
Employers do some strange things.
The thing is, it isn't Facebook that people should be worried about it's officious companies unfairly dismissing their staff.

If the CIA were lifting people off the street for doing what ever you think they would pull people off the street for...then they are doing it very very quietly and very very slowly.

The only reason most people associate the CIA and Facebook is because of some tenuous financial tie...and that's about it.

The shady aspect of Facebook is other users grooming kids and using it to for shady reasons.
Plus shady applications that mine your details (un-related to Facebook itself).

It isn't a little different it's a lot different, btw

Judging by this: http://www.archives.gov/iwg/declassified-records/rg-263-cia-records/rg-263-report.html
(CIA declassified files, ironically)
Facebook, actually, should be a multi-agency international conspiracy.
But, big-headed Americans, as-per-bloody-usual, reduce it down to a very Amercentric operation only involving the CIA.
Why? Because most can't be bothered to do any research further than the end of their nose.
If they bothered to do any research themselves at all, that is.
They are not interested in anything else but their own country.
Why bother with anybody else when you can just spew the OP out over and over again for any and every given issue.
I wonder if the OP bothered to research any of the detail in the post?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1...st+as+mentally+unstable.&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

vanness · Feb 12, 2011

this is a long article
but it is very good...

lode · Feb 12, 2011

The CIA has a long history and have certainly been behind some malevolent intents worldwide. However, your posts have no references, and could be made up on the spot by whatever website you copy and pasted that from. As for the facebook/CIA link, yes that's crazy. The NSA handles most of the intelligence workload, and they don't have the resources to devote to your inane posts about Justin Bieber. Their are already files on you, one's which aren't analyzed unless a need is addressed by a person looking for specific information on you you.

One point which is certainly incorrect from my historical analysis within Cambodia from many sources is the fact that that the Lol Nol Government overthrow of Sihanouk was backed by the CIA. The American government had supported financially and diplomatically the Sihanouk government up until the coup by the General Lol Nol.

After Lol Nol Took power, the CIA provided weapons and money to fight against the Khmer Rouge, which from Washington's standpoint was a satellite of Vietnam, and was essentially until the mid 1970's.

When the Khmer Rouge took power in 75, the Vietnam war was ending but was still seen as a Satellite state Vietnam. Vietnam tried to consolidate it's power over Saigon, while the Khmer Rouge actively worked on a collectivist campaign which included the execution of all impure Khmer people including the Vietnamese living within Cambodia. (One that ended in the killing of 1/4 of the population of Cambodia. One of the more successful genocides in history)

By around 78 or so, Vietnam was at war with the Khmer Rouge, a Government it had helped prop up. This led to the Vietnamese consolidation of power in Phnom Penh in 1980.

While the CIA provided weapons to the remaining Lol Nol troops in the Khmer Rouge period (75-80) Afterwords it revised it's stance, and the United Nations diplomatically supported the Khmer Rouge rebellion, as it was than an active satellite state of Vietnam until 1992.

The War here officially ended in 1998, when Pol Pot died, comfortably in his bed, and the remaining Khmer Rouge troops in the west of the country (Koh Kong) surrendered their arms.

May 20th theres a 'holiday' here called The Day Of Hatred, where symbols and flags of the Khmer Rouge are burned on the streets here in Phnom Penh.

love-laughter · Feb 12, 2011

TheMadcapSyd said:

You don't need a facebook to track an IP

Everyone's post on hipforums alone are far more incriminating than what most people have on facebook
Click to expand...

Why don't you look at the technology of the 21st century. IPs aren't that big of a deal. Even if you link it back to household, there is no way to be certain of who was actually using the computer. Former Cuban spys knew enough to only use Internet cafes and that was 10 years ago.

These days, it's all about "profiling."

TheMadcapSyd said:

lunarverse said:

All the schools you've gone to, all the names of the people you know, where you work,]/quote]

These are all things that are public records and easy to find out long before facebook came around. Not to mention the fact you don't have to list any of that.
School records- public information, especially if you ever used a government loan or PELL grants
People you know - Social circles and media existed long before facebook, people knew who other people knew long before the internet too.
Where you work - If you pay taxes the government already knows where you work
.
Click to expand...

You can really spot a member from the "don't know my ass from a hole in the ground" gang with comments like that.

Do you have any idea of how many fucking man-hours would be involved in getting that data the "old fashion way?" Plus you need to get court approval before starting an investigation of this type. Whereas, a government agency can just log into a special area of Facebook and run a profiling program to look for possible "individuals of interest."

These guys are trying to get to criminals before they commit a crime. And on the surface that sounds really great. Until you get to thinking about how dangerous that can be.

Imagine being under surveillance because your wife left you for another man and you lost your job and you can't make a payment on your house. Then you make a stupid comment about robbing a bank and they notice your a gun owner or perhaps a former Seal.

And yea,
Facebook is going to sell and share your data with as many agencies as possible. So it's not just going to be the CIA. This is where they make their money. Advertising my fucking black ass.

odon said:

You've never thought about those points before?

People seem to think Facebook auto-fills your entire life history just because you forgot to click on some opt-out option.

Facebook, actually, should be a multi-agency international conspiracy.
But, big-headed Americans, as-per-bloody-usual, reduce it down to a very Amercentric operation only involving the CIA.
Why?
Click to expand...

1) personally, I've noticed that when any government endevor takes off, they try to make it cover as wide of an area as possible. So I'm sure there is everything from the CIA to state troopers involved.

On that note,
Most people won't read and/or can't understand more than 5 lines before forming an opinion or making a comment. So if I want to stimulate conversation and hopefully thought. I can't really pick on more than 1 agency. And the CIA is an easy identifiable target that most can grasp on some level.

odon said:

If they bothered to do any research themselves at all, that is.
They are not interested in anything else but their own country.
Why bother with anybody else when you can just spew the OP out over and over again for any and every given issue.
I wonder if the OP bothered to research any of the detail in the post?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&biw=1345&bih=583&q=1990:+Haiti+-+Competing+against+10+comparatively+wealthy+candidates,+leftist+priest+Jean-Bertrand+Aristide+captures+68+percent+of+the+vote.+After+only+eight+months+in+power,+however,+the+CIA-backed+military+deposes+him.+More+military+dictators+brutalize+the+country,+as+thousands+of+Haitian+refugees+escape+the+turmoil+in+barely+seaworthy+boats.+As+popular+opinion+calls+for+Aristide%27s+return,+the+CIA+begins+a+disinformation+campaign+painting+the+courageous+priest+as+mentally+unstable.&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw
Click to expand...

2) If I quote books or documents without Internet links to the information. People whine and bitch. If I quote and soure Internet sites, I'm getting bitch and whine. So tell me what should I do?
Click to expand...

wa bluska wica · Feb 12, 2011

so the cia killed kennedy because he opposed operation facebook and they used oswald because he had 0 friends?

love-laughter · Feb 12, 2011

wa bluska wica said:

so the cia killed kennedy because he opposed operation facebook and they used oswald because he had 0 friends?
Click to expand...

wa bluska wica · Feb 12, 2011

i was going to ask you if you had a second joke until i realized i'd not heard your first . . .

TheMadcapSyd · Feb 12, 2011

wa bluska wica said:

so the cia killed kennedy because he opposed operation facebook and they used oswald because he had 0 friends?
Click to expand...

Also the world looks like this:

wa bluska wica · Feb 12, 2011

ptolemy was the founder of mossad, you know . . .

TheMadcapSyd · Feb 12, 2011

love-laughter said:

Facebook is going to sell and share your data
Click to expand...

followed by:

TheMadcapSyd said:

SOMEBODY ANSWER THIS

Because this is the one thing paranoid people can never answer and just like to conveniently ignore.

What information would they be getting from facebook.

You don't need a facebook to track an IP

Everyone's post on hipforums alone are far more incriminating than what most people have on facebook

And I really don't care if the entire world knows last night I was frying plantains.
Click to expand...

wa bluska wica · Feb 12, 2011

were the plantains good?

[sorry, i should just go away]

TheMadcapSyd · Feb 12, 2011

Plantains are always good.

OhSoDreadful · Feb 12, 2011

the oss is real, hmm. Learn something new everyday. I thought it was just some made of organization from the movie spy kids, but then again I don't really care enough to learn about this stuff

just stop using facebook, problem solved

Log in or Sign up

A question about the CIA

love-laughter Member

lunarverse The Living End

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

lunarverse The Living End

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

lunarverse The Living End

odon Slightly Popular

vanness Banned

lode Banned

love-laughter Member

wa bluska wica Pedestrian

love-laughter Member

wa bluska wica Pedestrian

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

wa bluska wica Pedestrian

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

wa bluska wica Pedestrian

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

OhSoDreadful Childish Idealist

Log in or Sign up

A question about the CIA

love-laughter Member

lunarverse The Living End

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

lunarverse The Living End

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

lunarverse The Living End

odon Slightly Popular

vanness Banned

lode Banned

love-laughter Member

wa bluska wica Pedestrian

love-laughter Member

wa bluska wica Pedestrian

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

wa bluska wica Pedestrian

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

wa bluska wica Pedestrian

TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

OhSoDreadful Childish Idealist

Useful Searches