A question to all psychedelic people?

I'll keep this brief.

1. So you grow up, and at the age of say 17 you go from trying something like high doses of weed to taking LSD and realize that there's a totally new reality out their that most people don't have the faintest idea about.

2. You're family raised you christian, but for the past three years, you've been feeling rather torn between the decission to stay with christ or experiment with new ideas.

3. You then try to comunicate with your family about the way you are now and how you've changed from the person you were before.

4. They don't understand at all, and think you're just a crazy drug adict.

5. You question yourself about wether you're on a higher level of consciencness, or if your family is. In other words, are you now more highly evolved or are they? That's my Question to you, the question to hippies, the question to we, the hippy family?

Hope to hear from all of you, you all, you all.
Thanks
Alex

 

I think the use of psychedelics definitely raises your consciousness, they don't understand and they never will unless they try it for themselves. You can't blame them for that, blame government propoganda. Don't try to push your ideals on them, though. Let them believe what they are comfortable believing. I hate when people poison thier bodies by drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes everyday and then try to belittle us for trying to expand our consciousness. Sorry to rant, but dammit man!

 

You hit the nail right on the head with that one. There's not too much more to say about it. I hate when you talk about acid and mushrooms, and people are like, "That's so bad for you". You try to explain that you know what you're talking about, and they just won't listen. People are so easily brainwashed by the government it's unbelievable. If you think that the government would never lie to you, you're an idiot.

 

i wonder sometimes. i wonder about the true nature of my own motives and behavior once in a while, too. for me its about finding a better way to live, finding new ideas, exploring new aspects of reality...that doesnt mean i think i'm definitely on the right track and no negative consequences may come of my heavy use of psychedelics. that said i feel no negative consequences at the present, i try to keep up with the state of my mind and try to be honest with myself, and i try to keep my psychedelic use responsible and enlightening.

that said, any idea has about a 50/50 chance of being right or wrong, in theory. my ideas may just as easily be wrong as jerry fallwell's. i do believe some unusual things and bizarre things by most accounts, and i guess in many people's opinions i'd be considered something of a "radical." but that doesnt mean i'm arrogant enough to take for granted that what i love and believe in is automatically the only possible truth....

 

I think tripping is a good way to look at things in a different light, however most people who do these things all see life in a very similar way... however it seems to be the right way of thinking, not being satisfied with the ways things are always thinking; pushing for more intersting horizons.

All of that out of the way though, it all comes down to what makes you the most happy, and just living the way that works best for you, many people dont want to experience what other have, they are very set in thier own beliefs and it makes them happy or thought of a different view makes them uneasy. Much of the positive outcomes of mindset from tripping seems to be with the themes of peace, appreciation and care taken to mother earth, and care for other people. I don't see how that is bad at all, and many others should be thinking more actively about these things. Humans have accomplished so much and we have the ability do great things, why don't we use these talents to do good?

From what I have seen hallucinogens especially lsd and mescaline show people how much beauty there is in our world, ourselves, and others. Sompthing that I feel is irreplaceable and more real to me than any christian religion which does promote good morals, but these are just followed and people feel that that's that. I hope that some day spirituality will become more prominant in such a dominate religion as christianity, since there is so much benefit that it leaves out.

 

as long as i could go on about my perceived benefits of psychedelics and my doubts, i think we're looking at this all wrong. its entirely possible for both people to be on a "higher" level of consciousness. to me, the beliefs and ideals aren't as important as the way you act toward other people. if a christian is capable of having and offering their opinions and living their way of life, but able to relate to people who doesn't share their beliefs without preaching, theyr living that higher level. if a person who takes acid is able to see through the symbolic differences in people and relate to them regardless of how "square" or ignorant they may seem, they have reached that higher level. teach, don't preach thats the key


its all relative man. what may have worked for some won't work for all, and your parents preaching to you that their word is the Truth is bringing them down to a lower level of consciousness - not because of their beliefs, but because of the strength they hold them with. christianity HAS worked for some. psychedelics worked for you, and i think the important thing is to have your ideas, but not to take it to the extreme that your parents did. living on that higher level means accepting things for what they are as opposed to judging them upon the mind's preconceived notions. and this is why i have chosen psychedelics for my path - they teach me just that. my ideas and beliefs reflect that vision, and i try to carry them out as creatively as possible. all in all, just remember to keep an open mind.

to put it in more learyesque terms, once you've transcended your self, your position and history (psychedelics, christian youth) won't matter, all that will matter is what you are now.

 

i know exactly how you feel on this one, george... i am 16, and i took LSD for the first time when i was 15 years old... i felt/still feel completely disconnected to some of the people (most of the people, actually) in my school because they have not reached the level of consciousness that i have.... all they want to talk about is the newest Ashton Kutcher picture, and the football game coming up, and i want to talk about "out of this world" things... they seem so content just to let the gas prices stay at 3 bucks a gallon, and pollute the world with their lame-o trash, and i try and try to tell them, lets change the world.. but they just wont listen...

sometimes i just want to secretly dose them all, so they can see whats out there... although they would probably not appreciate the LSD at all, and its not like i have money like that, anyways...

but yeah, i understand fully what you are saying george.... i think the only thing to do is to try and educate one person at a time... its all we can do, really.

 

I feel the same. It kinda sucks. Im at college, and i feel so not connected to the do lotsa homework, and be a good student mode that others have. My parents really think me studying then in 3 years popping in the professional work scene, is the most important thing in the world. Id like it to be for me, but it isnt...Im not on the same tree branch or sometn...what should i do? Im not made for the normal society I think.


Haha hi alex...I know someone strangely in the the exact same position as you.

 

raising ones consciousness can be acheived with no chemicals at all... dont believe you need acid to do that for you... for some it may be easier, for some - they may still come to that raised level, but travel a very, very dificult road (chemicals affect different people in different ways, we're not all the same). Allow the possibility in your mind that the conclusions you come to while on a chemical are affected by the state of your mind while on them.... psychedellics chemically create chaos in your brain so try to stay sane.

 

I personally don't think psychedelics make you have a higher consciousness, I beleive a person gets there by exploring with there own ideas. Some might be aided with doing psychedlics or drugs, only becuase they realize that when they experiance these things, they are not as bad as they were told there whole life. But then again parents have good motives, because when people do these things they lose grasp of reallity and they think they're immortal, they think that pot won't hurt them, but it does it could cause cancer or if you do too much LSD you'll probably go insane, or that if you do coke a couple of times you can't get addicted, but you will. Even though I have done many kinds of drugs I would be worried about my kid doing drugs, at least without me-

- plbf i just wanna dose some mofos sometimes instead of fighting

 

Okay, if you're worried about religion, dont be. No matter what religion is right, as long as you are a good person and are kind and helping to other people, then Jesus, God, Allah, or whoever, will be happy with you. If there even is a God... Just be nice and it'll all be good =D

Yeah, majority of people are just completely engrossed in Samsara (the game of life). If you try to break them out of it, they usually get defensive and angry at you. So you can try to slowly guide them out, but not all at once and not too fast!

 

Some of you are saying that Psychedelic drugs can open you're mind, and some say just stay away from it. I read Timothy Leary's "Turn on Tune in Drop out" he's a scientist and is a complete advocate of the us of LSD. He think's we should all be doing it, and has thoughts about the ego being our biggest clog in what prevents all people from seeing diviniety and keeping people wrapped up in expensive car, nice house, lots of knowledge, I'm better than you type "games." I know I have those feelings everyday too, they're unstopable and they seem to be my clog to particapating in ALL kinds of creative mental functions. Then I get really stoned, and see exactly what the clog is, and exactly how it keeps us from opening up. I think of it like this,

"Life always starts with two things, the things you DO, and the things you don't DO, do being the key word. Imagine a person or yourself walking up to a lady sales clerk in a grocrie store; a situation in which you have thousands of different options of what to do or not do. If we are totally uneffected by our ego, we will automatically act differently than if we are effected by it. A girl might be thinking about the sales clerks looks, comparing them to hers, comparing confidence, comparing education through speaking ability, comparing dress, comparing body type." These Do's or not DO's happen a million times a day. I just think my life would be a lot better if I never had to deal with my humanly evolved clog of an ego, so that I would never have those inevitable comparrisons in my mind. Does anyone else feel this way? We should read together if you do, and then discuss it.
Cheers Mates,
Alex

 

i don't think you should think of it as a higher conciousness. there's no difference between us.

 

Psychedelic Drugs Are Amazing, And The Proper, Respectful Use Of Them Can Be Wonderful, But No Other Kind Of Drug Better Fits With The Description Of The Term "escape" That Is Given As An Excuse By Many Drug Users As To Why They Abuse Drugs, Even Though I Never Heard Anyone Say They Use Acid Or Mushrooms To Forget That They're Life Blows. I Dont Think Those Drugs Allow People To Acheive Enlightenment Or A Higher State Of Conciousness, Your Doing That On Your Own. For One Person To Say That Getting Out Of Touch With Your Ego Puts You In A Mind Set Higher Than Others, Is Like Saying That Accepting Jesus And Regarding Psychedelic Drugs Users As Unnapreciative Psycho Junkies Will Elevate You To A Realized Enlightenment. Its The Same Thing. People Who Are Deeply Involved In An Organised, Funded, And Powerful Religion Tend To Disrespect The Feelings And Opinions Of Those Who Dont Except The Morals And Goals That Are Values Shared Within The Named Community. Likewise, Tripped Out Folk Are Just As Far From Accepting Other People For Who They Are (unless The Tripped Out Folk Are Tripping) Based On The Natural Instinct To Judge And Condemn Those Who Differ In Opinions Of What Enlightenment Means. There Is No Collective Consiousness Because Of The Ego, And The Hosts Constantly Change Theyre Opinions And Values Based On Mood And Environment. The Best Example Of This Is What Peacelovebarefeet Posted In This Thread, About Feeling More Enlightened Than Others, And Dosing Them All, And Educating One At A Time, And This Kind Of Thing. How Does This Differ From An Attempt At Religious Conversion? Well, Besides The Obvious Of Course, The Dropped Out Dont Normally Incite Violence And Confrontation. But What I'm Really Trying To Say Is That Drugs And Jesus Dont Teach You Anything About Yourself, They Are Like Learning The Basic Steps Of A Controlled Path If You Dont Allow Yourself To Teach Yourself Through Other Experience's. It Is All About How You React To Your Own Decisions And The Events That Are Brought Upon You By Freewill, And Aslo To The Desicions And Events Brought Upon You By Outside And Unwelcomed Forces. Pretty Much, Life Can Be Great To You And You May Think You Love Everyone And Everything, But Life Eventually May Teach You That No One Matters Besides Yourself And Your Family That You Trust. We May All Be The Same Species And Live On The Same Earth And Have The Same Problems, But We Are All Very Different By Ego And Personality, And Real Love Stems From That Difference And The Ability To Learn From That Difference How To Better Ourselves. Any Other Kind Of Love Seems More Like A Feeling Of Sympathy For Those Who Aren't Belived To Be As Fortunate Or Intelligent As Another.

 

I think drugs are good. I mean they expand on you, but there comes a point where you gotta wonder if science is right? I mean if you read deep enough into it all of it really does make sense, seriously. I mean check out virtual hostpital for instance, seriously man. I know intoxication is seen as rebelling against society, maybe were just rebels! Hell I hate the word "drug" I mean seriously, anything can be classified as a drug if the FDA says it is. Flip on the TV watch that Kevin guy selling his Natural Cures book. I mean seriously, its just life, and people before you set laws rules and limits, if you can outsmart them, then you can set your own limits and laws.

 

psychadelic drugs just open the doors, it's on you to walk through them... tibetans were exploring what Leary found out for centuries before that, without drugs... LSD is just a shortcut, quicker and easier way... I love it

 

haha, hell yeah... if it was feasible, believe me, I WOULD OF DONE IT LOOOOONG AGO!

 

I found that jesus and salvation had completely new meanings when i discovered psychedelics. salvia especially was helpful in coming to terms with religious teachings and inner truths.

 

i took shrooms lotsa times and that kinda made me disconnected from the people at school. but im still homies with em all in a very psychedelic way, dig sista? props to ya for LSD at 15 thats waaay chiill im 16 gunna take it soon for sure. how was it?

 

thething about science is it makes sense when defyning the world we perceive around us, right? it talks about trees and whats in em and stuff. the thing with psychedelics is beyond that. like what goes down when this world goes away, dig?

and you and bob marley said it best brutha. we're soul rebels.