After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. Kerri

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    I wasn’t insulting you. I’m agreeing. Man all these immigrants crossing the border to kill me. I need semi-automatic weapons just to get to work.
     
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  2. Maccabee

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    They do and don't at the same time. They say vague things but it only takes a bit of digging to know what they really saying.
    Evidence?
     
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    Do you have a theory to explain my two sisters, one 49, one 54, both overeducated (5 masters between them) Obama /Hillary supporting public school teachers (NYC schools) with 6 children between them and one with two grandchildren, who own and enjoy the same amount and types of firearms I do?

    Question for Kerri, I forgot to insert a quote.
     
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    Your list accounts for two incidents in which someone was killed. In only one instance was a police officer killed. And in the other incident, three people were killed. And neither incident comes up the level of mass shooting.

    Over 15,000 police professionals were surveyed. Here is part of what the survey shows
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    What effect do you think the passage of the White House’s currently proposed legislation would have in improving police officer safety?

    86% of respondents say passage will have no impact or a negative impact on officer safety. One of four think additional gun-control measures will make their job more difficult and have a negative impact on their safety.

    What effect do you think a federal ban on manufacture and sale of some semi-automatic firearms, termed by some as “assault weapons,” would have on reducing violent crime?

    Almost 92% off officers think a ban on the manufacture and sale of “assault weapons” will have no effect – or a negative effect – on reducing violent crime.

    Do you think a federal ban on manufacture and sale of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds would reduce violent crime?
    96% of respondents answered No.

    https://radioviceonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-law-enforcement-survey.pdf
     
  5. Kerri

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    Why do you ask? You won’t beloeve anything that challenges any beliefs that are too close to your own identity

    It’s very often about feelings of inadequacy. It’s about protecting your family, self-defense, immigrants, rights being taken away. That’s all about needing a binky blanket.

    Your (not you specifically, the plural you) firsts thoughts are fear and the only way to alleviate the fear is to get this object that’s outside yourself. You can’t alleviate the fear on your own
     
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    Did I?

    In his ruling in Boston, Young quoted from the writings of the late Supreme Court Judge Antonin Scalia, a conservative and an "originalist," who believed the Constitution should be interpreted in accordance with its original meaning at the time it was written.

    Writing for the U.S. Supreme Court in 2008, in a ruling that struck down a handgun ban in Washington, D.C., Scalia had found that the Second Amendment "does not provide a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

    "Weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like" aren’t protected by the Second Amendment and "may be banned," Young quoted Scalia as writing on behalf of the five-member majority.

    So I was not quoting the author of the article.
     
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    No, I specifically asked--twice--for a list of school shootings that involved an AR-15. It's not my fault that you didn't understand the question, though I believe you did. Anyway, the answer is 3.
     
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    All mass shootings matter
     
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    You speak as if everyone who has a gun for home protection feels insecure when they go to town without it. You speak about people you don't even know. That's called stereotyping. Have you ever had your home invaded?
     
  10. Kerri

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    So my husband is a powerlifter and boxer. You could certainly make tne argument that fear is a primal driver for these activities - a fear to be able to protect his wife and daughters. The difference is he found a method entirely within himself to mitigate the fear. He made himself better. Other people are not able to do that. They need a solution outside themselves.

    So to me gun ownership is a binky and penis enhancement pill because 1. It’s rooted in feelings of inadequacy and 2. Those feelings cannot be resolved within the individual. They require external strength
     
  11. Maccabee

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    So you want me to accept anything you say without first researching it?
    Claims without evidence are just that.

    So wanting to have a means of defending yourself is a bad thing?
    Again, where is your evidence? Do you fear being a car wreck by buckling your seatbelt? Do you fear getting injured by getting health insurance? Do you fear someone breaking in your home by locking your doors?
     
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    You think that anyone who has a gun is fixated on them. But your barrage of insults and reference to genital enhancement exposes you as the hopelessly fixated individual. And now your point seems to be that anyone who doesn't weightlift and box is not a good protector. I wonder what the elderly would think of your baseless judgements. There's about 4 million home invasions per year. Are you pretending that they don't happen. Or are you pretending that they don't matter?
     
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    We're all at my parent's house and waiting with great interest for a reply, if you would.
     
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    Lol is this some kind of trick to invalidate my observations? Whatever your relatives rationale is has absolutely no impact on general truths
     
  15. Maccabee

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    You haven't proven anything you said was true. Until you stop insulting people you don't even know about and start providing actual evidence, your opinion is just that, an opinion.
     
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    I was reading the thread and chuckled, one sister asked why, as I was explaining the other came in and we all wanted to know what could be the reason behind your absurd and biased allegation. Keep in mind please, as you think of an answer, my younger sister's husband is a black man, her children (my nieces) look far more black than white, and they live in Brooklyn in an area that has only recently been considered "safe", for me and my (white looking)family to walk around in even though we've been doing it for the twenty years they've been married. He's a retired Marine, but met her long after she bought her first firearm. What is she compensating for, she'd like to know. She says she'll join hip forums and ask personally if that's what it takes for a well thought out reply.
    We've gone back through most of this thread sitting here, and they both have noticed your odd comments on firearms ownership.
     
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    Almost time to go home, we're waiting.
     
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    Was it mentioning the extreme diversity in my family that threw you off? Maybe you just can't see that some people enjoy being able to shoot pool, and others like a real tight group at two hundred yards, or busting clay no matter where it came from or where it's heading?
     
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    Thank you for finally understanding one aspect of research and data collection.
    Other factors to consider? Range, number of shooters, number of possible victims, environmental surroundings, age of potential victims, motive, lighting, possible cover, types of doors and securable areas, time span, location, exits or paths of possible flight, field of fire, response by law enforcement, sex and age of shooter, shooter's familiarity with location or victims, shooter's planning or lack thereof, willingness of the shooter to die, magazine size...among others.

    I have already supplied the history of the AR 15. It was originally designed as a military weapon.
    In the civilian version the automatic feature was discontinued to circumvent the 1934 National Firearms Act.
    I never said any military uses the civilian version of the AR 15, that's why it's called the civilian version.
    I did say the military has used the military version of the AR 15 and the M16, which is a renamed AR15.
     
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    Oh, I thought you said no law enforcement officer ever said that AR 15s are hazardous to their profession.
    Maybe you didn't read what I posted?
    We’re literally outgunned. You’re talking about the kind of firepower that can go through vehicles, through vests, and that can literally go through a house.”
    There are just more and more assault rifles out there, and it is becoming a bigger threat to law enforcement each day. They are outgunned.”
    Our times have changed. And we’ve got to change with our times. We cannot allow our officers to continue to be killed.”
    These are state-of-the-art weapons … My firearms experts over here tell me that…no body armor that we have would have saved our officers from these weapons here. I mean, in fact, many of them are capable of slicing through a vehicle. This is just how deadly these weapons are.”
    All about AR 15 rifles. I had thought one was enough eliminate your contention of never.
     
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