Aliens: Are We Truly Alone?

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Darwinism, Jul 8, 2005.

  1. Darwinism

    Darwinism Member

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    What do you guys thing? Do aliens exist? Post your opinion here.



    I think they exist, how could they not? With the millions of planets orbiting the millions and millions of stars, we can't be the only planet able to sustain life. I wanna see one !!!






     
  2. *CHAMELEON*

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    I believe that the possibility of extraterrestrial lifeforms to be great.I believe human beings might not be able to even recognize certain lifeforms simlpy because they may not fit into the close ended paridigm of what we consider to be a lifeform or that we may lack the spectrum of consciousness to detect them with our sensory input.I have also wondered about the possibility of an extraterrestrial civilization being so far advanced that they themselves are able to create stars,galaxies,nebulae or in fact be able to manipulate the very fabric of space in order to travel great distances between worlds.
     
  3. PurpleGel

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    no doubt there is life elsewhere. i don't know what it looks like, but it must be out there.
     
  4. MikeE

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    If these things don't "fit into the close ended paridigm of what we consider to be a lifeform", how can they said to be living. Similarly, if we lack the sensory equiment to detect them, how can we say that they are alive.

    I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but "life" is our concept and to say that something is alive is to say that 1)we can perseve that thing and 2) those perseptions fit our definition of "life."

    Yes, our definition of "life" can change (e.g. are viruses and prions (sp?) alive) and those things that we sense can change (eg. microscopic objects). But to say that there are things that we can not perceive and that do not meet our definition of "life", yet still are "living" removes the issue from the realm of science.
     
  5. Green

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    I was hoping that we would become that advanced some day.
     
  6. adelic86

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    yeah i also believe that there is a possibility of life on another planet in our galaxy somewhere, just need the technolgy and time to actually find it!
     
  7. Wonder Girl

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    I do believe there's a possibility of it.
     
  8. PurpleGel

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    why do we need to find it? what do we have to prove?

    if we find life elsewhere, i'm sure we'll kill it and claim its territory to be our own. fuck that. leave the aliens in peace.
     
  9. steffan

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    not only is it posible, but with what we have learned in recent times about the reactions of aminio acids it would be very strange, and even a little spooky if there wasn't. The general concensess among the scientific comunity seems to be that where ever there is water in a liquid phase and the radiation levels are low enough, there is life.
     
  10. hippychickmommy

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    I definitely believe that there is life elsewhere. We cannot be vain or think ourselves the only intelligent life form. To think such a thing would be narcisistic. There is more out there than we can imagine, or have the means to comprehend I'm sure.
     
  11. guitarslinger

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    The truth is out there
     
  12. Green

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    Even if we had the technology to travel through space at high speeds how would we map it?
     
  13. StonerBill

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    because finding another alien intelligence would be teh ONLY, and i repeat ONLy thing that can bring the whole human race together as one. an interstellar conflict would be the only scenario whereby humans would see eachother as equal, across the board. sad but can you give any other scenario whereby this would happen?
     
  14. steffan

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    i think you over estimate the human race, look at what we do now with the truth of wrong it is so obvious
     
  15. StonerBill

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    if there is anotehr intelligence out there, it would probably be differnet to ours. like what about a lifeform that didnt reproduce sexually but simply got more complex and better at surviving and when it died, its spawn grew out of its remains.

    thats entirely plasuible but it would not lead to an intelligence anything like ours.
     
  17. inzgary

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    I agree with you on that one.
     
  18. inzgary

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    What if they found us and attacked us then what would you say.
     
  19. lostblackdog

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    What's to say that we aren't the descendants of aliens ourselves? What's to say that there weren't civilizations and empires of beings similar to ourselves even before the time of the dinosaurs and whatnot? Perhaps the earth simply didn't have nearly as violent a climate between the time of the dinosaurs and our own evolution... a violent climate that could potentially destroy all carbon-based life forms other than exceptionally enhanced bacteria and viruses, which may or may not have been terrestrial beings or they may have even been airborn.... flying around up in the atmosphere..... Hell, who even says the earth has always had gravity like it does now? Perhaps there was once a time where magnetic pieces of land hovered over the earth... civilizations in the sky or something... Anything is possible when it comes down to it... Everything we perceive could simply be but a speck on the butthole of one bigass alien... Or perhaps all that we perceive of life is merely a sensory illusion that we previously chose in another "life" that we have no recollection of because this is all part of the experience.... Like we could have plugged ourselves into the proverbial "Life experience machine".... like life is a huge video game that we could very well wake up from upon our death only to realize that we're in some rinky dink mall arcade and our entire existence has only been a game. Perhaps we've already evolved to such an intelligent level that we choose to go through the life experiences that we do because everything else bores us so much.
    I mean, if we keep evolving as we are... corporate out-sourcing is eventually going to replace manual laborers with robots and machines because they're more cost-efficient in the long run. Eventually, the employment pool could potentially run dry, thus leaving us to either live peacefully and kick back to enjoy a state of global equality and well-being (I doubt it), or we'll go through some sort of global domination, which will probably lead us into some blindly glorified age of reason, thus resulting in rational genocide and other population control measures. That being said, there would probably be such a yearning to experience life as it was before the shit hit the fan, we could easily end up where we are now, but not because of some machine take-over, like in the shitty ass matrix series, but because we consciously chose to plug ourselves in to the lives we live now. There could be pre-determined variables like in any video game, resulting in the good and bad experiences that we go through, leading to a balance of 0 in the end. That way life stays interesting...
    It just doesn't make sense that death is the end of our concsiousness simply because our body ceases to function and manipulate energy. Isn't that all that life is when it comes down to it? Life is simply energy manipulation in it's very essence, therefore if our energy ceases to exist in our body, it must be transferred because it cannot be destroyed. With that energy, could our consciousness not also be transferred, yet remain intact along the journey? I mean, if perception is simply a series of electrical reactions that are interpretted by our brains, which theoretically operate on different wave frequencies.... could those frequencies not transcend the physical limitations of our body when the energy ceases to flow through our bones? Who says we aren't aliens ourselves, or that we haven't already existed, or that we don't actually exist already in another life, and this is merely a pre-determined experience that we chose because the real world has actually become too boring of a place for our overly-advanced minds? There are a myriad of possibilities that we have to examine in order to rationally come to terms with the probability that we are far from alone in the universe... as well as probably not being the most intelligent species to ever walk the earth...
    In fact, based on our physical evolution, I would argue that we are indeed the most cursed, unevolved, pathetic, and least intelligent species of our size. Why do we waste so much of our energy by using it for our brains that we don't even fully know how to operate? Why do we do a lot of the things that we do in life... like pondering the existence of aliens and such? Doesn't it seem as though we've been short-handed by nature simply by the complexity that we maintain in our daily lives? I, for one, think we are a dying breed like the Neanderthals before us.... In fact, modern anthropology suggests that they were even more intelligent than our own species, and the reason for their disappearance is relatively unknown by the scientific community... Some, however, have speculated that it was the evolution of their larger brain that may have been the cause of their extinction, thus leading me to personally believe that "intelligence" may be more of a curse than a blessing in the natural world...
    By enhancing our brains and focussing our evolution on such a physically useless tool, we also increase the likeliness of mental error and disease... therefore leaving us with the potential to evolve into a species of insane, mentally derranged, upset, and chronically depressed beings... In the end... it could very well be our yearning to create our own Utopia that could be the catalyst for our own extinction... as we step into the future armed with the tools to create a genetically "superior" human race of engineered citizens. In theory, Socrates' notion of the Republik could easily see it's fruition in the next 40-50 years (if we're all still here), but I personally believe that non-secular majorities will become increasingly more conservative, thus holding off such "progress" from ever taking place. Perhaps those Bible-thumpin' Jesus Gestapo are good for something afterall...
    Where do aliens come into play with all of this? They could potentially have the answers that we've been searching for regarding the mysteries of life and death and the intrinsic values of morality and ethical systems.... Perhaps they have a religion that makes sense, and a government that holds the value of each individual citizen in the highest regard... Perhaps they have already come as far as we have, and realized that they would do better to take a step back, rather than a step forward. Perhaps they're even already here.... living amongst us as animals that we see everyday... watching us as we continually fuck things up for ourselves and the world... Is a squirrel not content to live as it does... eating, drinking, reproducing, and chasing females around... getting into the occasional scuffle here and there, but nothing too serious? Aren't we simply going for contentment in our lives? What I'm saying is that by overcomplicating our lives and evolving neurologically, we've essentially denied ourselves that simple state of contentment that we spend our whole lives seeking, and only find in small amounts when we're able to turn off our minds and "tune-out" into a more primitive state... When we play, laugh, drink, eat, fuck, get "fucked up".... those are all things that bring us pleasure, but our minds don't even allow us to enjoy them fully because we know too much and we grow afraid of even the most basic joys in life. Sex=STD's, Alcohol=Hangover, Food=Mad Cow Disease, Footbal=Broken Bones, Pot=Police... etc. All in all, I would argue that our brains limit our lives more than they really help us, so it would make sense that we are actually one of the least intelligent species simply because we fail to make any intelligent evolutionary progress. Sure, our brains allow us to make quick fixes here and there... but that doesn't take away from the fact that we are physically a shitty little group of fuckers worthy of whatever we've got coming. The idea that aliens are more intelligent than us no only makes sense, but I believe that they probably don't really come here to stay because well.... we suck.... They'd probably be like China during their age of exploration.... They'd come here.... see the world.... and only be impressed by something like the giraffe... Funny how shit works out like that, huh?:)
     
  20. apollo

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    I am Alien. Hear me Roar.
     

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