All of a Sudden Half the World is Gay, Explain that

I am stright, but gay men. They’re ok; I don’t get disgusted by them. There are a few gay men who live nearby, very quiet and don’t cause trouble. I have worked with some, they’re ok also.

Anyway, there's an argument that has been thrown around by both pro-gay and anti-gay people that has been bugging me for awhile. That argument is about homosexuality being natural, which basically means being born with it. Whether or not you're born gay has been used as an argument for it being right or wrong. People have also compared homosexuality in animals to determine if it's right or wrong for humans to be that way.

There is, however, a towering question that no one has been able to answer. That has to do with evolution. If a prime motivation of all species is to pass genes on to future generations, and gay men are estimated to produce 80 percent fewer offspring than straight men, why would a gay gene not have been wiped out by the forces of natural selection? Why does it seem like there are more and more gays each day?

Does anyone else consider this argument valid? Does anyone know the answer? If so, enlighten me.

 

No one really knows the answer.

I do not think that there is any genuine increase in number of gay people around. Possibly more gay people are coming out, creating such an impression.

There is a working theory which explains the same sex attraction from the evolutionary standpoint.

Supposedly, the same-sex attraction in both humans and in the animal kindgdom is an evolutionary instrument designed to support the survival of the families, clans, tribes and herds.

If the resources are limited due to a host of factors (lack of food, climate change, disease, etc.,) the reproduction of ALL the capable members of the group would be counterproductive since the offspring would have no or only very scarce resources to survive and thrive on. Thus, theoretically, at least, 'the gay offspring' usually does not mate to procreate but serves as the support mechanism to their siblings and relatives increasing the survival potential of its 'family'. Whereas you are not really passing your own genes to the next generation(s); you are either passively or actively contributing to the survival chances of the those who carry (and may thus, transfer) a very similar generic material.

Again, this is only a theory.

KD

 

A few reasons.

Evolution doesn't have a plan. If a genetic mutation is passed on, it will survive. I sense you probably know this.

That said, I think you're confusing genetics and social factors here. Homosexuality has become more socially acceptable. As a result, less people are denying/suppressing homosexual urges, and more people are willing to admit publicly that they're gay. So data on homosexuality is probably just more accurate now than it was.

There is also an argument that non-reproductive adults can benefit social animal populations. If we imagine that evolution does know what it's doing, then it's not impossible that a homosexual gene would benefit because it reduces offspring. When people have less children, those children are more likely to survive to breed.

I'm not personally convinced that homosexuality is genetic. Developmental factors would to me seem like the best explanation, since it would explain how homosexuality continues to exist and why people would not feel they had any choice in it.

 

"All of a sudden half the world is gay"

Well, I think, all of a sudden there is acceptance, so people are being public about their sexuality. People were afraid before because of the rediculous and stupid persecution they faced.

 

faced?
did something happen overnight I havent been told about?

 

Little 2-6 yr old straight kids missing their mommies or daddies or wanting to play with a baby son or daughter smothering the 1-2% of their peers that best fit that category.

Apart from a bit of crotch grabbing, nothing to do with sex

 

Natural response to the population explosion.

 

I don't even know, the OP is just weirdly worded. But if your question is how did that happen, I think that's a question many have asked and if youve done any research on it youd see that there's no set answer at all. Sure everyone has their own beliefs about it, but there really is no convincing answer to me. I don't see the need for there to even be an answer or a reason for homosexuality to exist. Can't it simply exist?

Understandably we seek to answer questions and define things as humans but any question of how homosexuality came to be always seems to have some undercurrent of someone trying to use their conclusion to the question towards justifying accepting/rejecting gays. I think that if gays are to be accepted, it shouldn't be because of the way in which we came to exist, as if it justifies our sexuality or "makes it okay."

GAYS ARE JUST GAY.

 

Nah, not really.

 

Thats what I was thinking-as populations and their rates increase, there will naturally be more homosexuals. The percent might even remain nearly the same. Social acceptance is, of course, intertwined.

 

Are you sure? How much of your life do you remember between 2-6?

 

Do you really think people are gay solely due to sex?


An unbalanced population explosion might result in more males indulging in a bit more man on man action, doesnt make them homosexual. Stick a straight guy in prison for a while, he may jump the fence, doesnt mean he's a homosexual when he gets out

 

Simple: Being gay is "in". Its a fad now. Same reason girls act bisexual to get more attention from guys. Nothing hotter than two beautiful girls kissing to a straight guy. Society is more accepting and open to homosexuality.

This is one more reason why I believe being gay is more of a lifestyle choice and sexual preference rather than something that is hard coded into our brains prior to birth. Just my 2 cents.

 

The OP seems to suggest that gays are less important, or a hazard to society. Not true! We're overpopulated as it is. As long as there are heterosexuals, there will be homosexuals too. And that's okay, because there are enough breeders making babies that we don't have to worry.
I don't think passing on our genes is truly our evolutionary purpose. At least, it's not mine. Some people are just not meant to reproduce. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's a personal choice. Many people are cut out for different roles in life, and there's room for all.

 

What I meant was if, for an example that is in no way true as far as i know, its estimated that 1.3% of people born are gay, then the more people you have the more gays there will be. Make sense?

 

That's exactly what I was writing then decided to go back and see if someone said it already:cheers2:

 

I think you are right about the, 1.3% of all people born are gay, but I think that now that gay is in, some people, (mostly guys) who are over sexed, and might never have been gay or Bi in say the 70s, 80s, or 90s, find that the gay sex life is a way to get off more often with less strings attached. I think that percent might be as much as twice the 1.3. % born gays. What do you think?

 

Could someone who is straight and would have in an earlier time never been anything but straight, but now in this more open world we live in, become gay or Bi? Think about it, when it comes to sex, we all start somewhere, and what you like can, and most often does change. Depending on whom you hang out with, your successes and/or failures with sex and love, your acceptance might change. If you are around friends some of which are gay and/or bi. Things might be more OK within that group. You might end up doing things that you never thought you would, and you may well find that you like it. Keep hanging out with them and things progress. You find love where you would never have though you would have. Does this make any sense, a straight person finding love in the gay world?

 

The truth is that homosexuality did not exist before 1965, when the LBJ government began to introduce 'gay drugs' into the water supply in certain strategic areas, thereby leading to a great chance of mothers producing children who are attracted to the same sex. The reason for this was that they knew that existing resources could simply not support the human population explosion.

Open your eyes people, knowledge is power!

 

my therory of gay-ness and str8-ness.

Okay no one really started out str8 or gay, the first humans/animals started out BI. yep they were a bunch of sex having happy people, but the ones that tend to be more gay reproduced less and the ones more str8 tend to reproduce more. As more extream version of bi got together refining the "sides" and then religion plays an important role I will tell soon. So example one, mostly str but bi guy and gal get together and have a even more mostly str8 kid. A mostly gay but still bi guy and gal get together and have a even more gay kid, thus making the too extra category of str8 and gay.

Now I would think after an EXTREAMLY long time the gays will fade away as it becomes more pure, however because of religion/social dumbassyness saying it's wrong to be gay. The gay person, trying too escape death (as was the penitilty back then) or angry parents/peers (today's time), they will reproduce with str8 or bi people of the opposite sex putting their gayness back in the pot only to become pure again and form another gay kid. Thus a never ending, or extremely long cycle to say the lest continues.

Lastly pertaining to men only, I have heard of a study that shows the more boys a female has the more adapt her body comes to "fighting" the fetus (it's because of the testosterone the baby boy produces) making it more feminine like and thus easier on the mothers body and that is linked to gay boys.

So what is the solution, heck easy, leave the gays to do what they want and just worry about your own life. So if it is a gene the it's less likely to "spread" if the gays are comfortable enough to find a gay partner rather than forcing themselves into a uncomfortable paring they don't like.


P.S I was being silly but the base message should be understandable, and I am actual very pro-homo. However I hate gays that are anti-hetero, acceptance MUST go both ways. So people who refer to hetero orientated people as breeders out of spite....FUCK YOU!!! they are people just like you