Am I a horrible person?

I have tried to sacrifice meat products. I guess I'm just too weak.

I like the taste of meat. I like it's texture and how filling it is.

I feel somewhat bad for the animals, but they will be eaten anyway and if we didn't I think there would be over population of certain animals.

So i've tried, tried, and tried again and I just can't do it.

Do vegans and veggies view people like me as bad people?

 

Only when you say something as ridiculous as....

If you don't have the strength to give up meat, then fine. But accept your weakness rather than inventing some bullshit excuse.

 

Maybe feel better about it by only eating organic and wild meats.
That way you know that they not stuffed into shed somewhere to live all of life before executed.

 

how is over population some bullshit excuse?

and who the hell are you to be so damn superior?

At least I have some sort of guilt inside of me and I'm trying to search to find my way.

you should be a little more informative and sympathetic to people trying to live life in a good way instead of bashing them. It makes me want to eat a big bloody steak and send the pictures to you just to piss people like you off.

 

If you like the taste of meat, and its texture, then I can assure you, there are a large variety of textured soy protein products out there such as Boca Burgers, Just Like Chicken Nuggets, and Morningstar Meatless Sausage Links (or whatever the heck they're called =P).

Most of them all taste almost exactly like meat, and they are all made from textured soy protein, and are healthier than their meat counterparts anyway.

Also ... animals won't be eaten anyway. I mean, other people will still eat animals, but that doesn't mean that the same amount of animals will be slaughtered. And overpopulation is cured by disease ... famine ... et cetera. We have overpopulation of humans right now.

Eh ... I can only speak for myself as a vegan, and how I feel about it, so don't try to stereotype my opinion to other veg*ns, but ... eh, well, there isn't an easy way to go about saying it, so ... yeah. Not "intentionally evil" bad, more like ... either ignorantly immoral, or in your case, just kind of ... weak, I guess you put it best yourself.

Honestly, I have a bit of a hard time understanding why people can't just kind of become vegetarians, unless it's due to physical hardship (you're still pretty young yet, you should be full of determination and energy, no?). I just kind of ... up and went from omnivore to vegan, and never had any problems with it ... perhaps you just need to think a certain way, or something. Try replacing all your thoughts of "I can't eat that anymore." with "I can't eat that. (period)"

A lot of people on this board also recommend that you start slow ... perhaps just be a lacto-ovo-vegetarian first, or a pescotarian (aka pesco-vegetarian, but you're not a real vegetarian, because you eat fish).

Also ... do be advised that it DOES add some inconveniences to your life; you have to check labels (particularly as a vegan), you have to not eat certain things that you may desire to eat. The trick is, to train yourself not to desire them anymore; to even detest meat, and eat it only if it was a last resort to survive.

Anyway ... pardons for the, er, brutally honest opinion, but ... well, those are my thoughts, definately no offense intended, you're a cool person either way! =) Good luck!

 

If overpopulation isn't an excuse, perhaps we should end human overpopulation by being cannibals. Hehe. I'd eat meat then; I LOATHE humans! =P I'd eat them even if they didn't taste good, just for the sake of it! lol

Just one plea of advice: Don't judge us all by DoktorAtomik. Some people just don't know how to represent their thoughts in constructive ways. Most of us aren't like that. Unfortunately, some of us are, and we all get labelled because of it (gg, DA).

 

i don't think this makes you a bad person, a normal person perhaps, and as you said, just a touch weak. but i just don't understand how you can give up so easily!! it's not easy at first to give up something you've been ok with consuming your whole life, but after a while it just becomes completely normal. if you actually want to do this (and it sounds like [for a while there at least] you do [or did]) then this forum is probably one of the best places for you to be. 97% of the people here are veg*n and are completely supportive and can give you heaps of information. there's also tons of veggi starter kits with recipes and god knows what else in there, and like hikaru said, there's a lot of fake meat out there which is weirdly realistic and good for you as well.

if you actually want to give up on it though, at least you tried, which is more than a lot of people can say. and it's good that you can admit that you eat meat for the taste rather than making up silly tales about how people should live solely on meat because it's soooo good for you and people who eat meat will all be millionaires by the year 2015... (ok, i've never heard and omni say that... but i have heard some very interesting arguments.)

 

Don't judge us all by Hikaru, either. We're not all patronising pricks who start insulting other veggies just because we disagree with their approach on a particular occasion.

 

Overpopulation is a bullshit excuse because it's a ridiculous notion. Animals are farmed specifically for meat. Not to mention the fact that animal populations self-regulate. In fact, I've heard meat eaters argue that vegetarianism will lead to the EXTINCTION of animals. Seems that whatever argument is convenient at the time is used to attempt to justify the carnivorous diet. That's why it's seemed like a bullshit argument - bullshit as in not realistic.

Having an opinion doesn't make me superior. Did I mention being superior anywhere? Could you point me towards that quote?

I didn't 'bash' you. I 'bashed' the idea of vegetarianism leading to animal population explosions. However, threatening to post pictures of steaks doesn't do much to make you sound very mature, does it?

 

Hmm good points there.


Totally agree with minjeig, and if you can't give it up then at least only eat free range/organic meat. Consider it damage limitation.

 

ignoring the comments from the unkynd, I will apply myself to learning more about veganism, vegiterianism, and pescotarianism and find my path.

thank you for your words of support and understanding Hikaro. It's nice to find someone who can educate people without judging them and acting as though your way is the end all be all and anyone else who disagrees is burning in hell forever.

I will study a little bit more, find out what would be best for my body type, and apply myself to be a stronger individual.

Thanks

 

why do you want to be a vegetarian?

 

*cough* Whom did I insult, and why?

 

Ummmmm....

Which was, as I pointed out....

pa·tron·iz·ing
adjective
condescending:treating somebody as if he or she is less intelligent or knowledgeable than yourself

 

i didn't read it as he was treating you as less knowledgable, just saying that you weren't perhaps expressing your self (or weren't able to) in a more constructive way. some people can't, you know.

 

good for you!! i hope you really do look into the realities of eating animals and animal products and everything that is involved in it, i have been doing the same just recently and i feel so much better( and a little pissed off actually, lol) being informed and not contributing to all the bullshit the world is trying to shove down our throats, it feels good to resist, especially when its no where near as hard as you would imagine it to be..

and i dont necesarily view people who eat animals as bad people now that i am vegan, but i have found i tend to have a little less respect for them and just get really disappointed when i found out what they do, and more often than not they dont really KNOW what their actually doing, you know? the ones that really bother me are the ones who are otherwise good people and good souls, who seem to be concerned with this planet and things other than themselves, but have fallen victim to the habits they have been taught....

 

Dont worry headymoechick, some people just cannot accept that other people choose to live a lifestyle they might not agree with. To make themselves feel better and superior they try to make you feel bad about yourself for enjoying something you personally have no problem with. Kinda like Christians. If they make you feel guilty enough they think they can change you.

Do what you want. Dont let anyone tell you how to live your life. On the same token, dont try to tell anyone else how to live theirs.

 

do you truely have no problem with what the factory farming industry does to those animals? do you really even know what they do to these animals, these living creatures?
i dont mean to come off as superior, and this is in no way a personal attack, you just dont seem really informed on the subject.... i wouldnt have a problem with you enjoying a burger if it was done in a humane and just way at all, but when it affects other living things and our home planet earth in a terrible way it starts to bother me a bit...
i dont mean to "tell people how to live" and i dont think we have the right to tell these animals how they are going to be living either!

 

btw--- fake meat really IS tasty and delicious and hard to tell a difference between the two(minus your health and well being), very worth trying. you should at least try it, thats what lifes about, trying new things right, and making the world and yourself a little better in the process maybe?
i cooked it the other day for me and my mom though who is a very regular meat eater and she loved it.

 

i have to agree...there are some really good fake meats out there...how much meat are you eating? why not just cut back? mix it up a bit. thats a start anyway. i think you are going to find supportive and nonsupportive veg*ns, just as in anything else in life. do what works for you. just be educated about your choices and take ownership for them.