America has to change for the world to change.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Inquiring-Mind, May 18, 2006.

  1. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Why? Because the American ruling class with alliance from ruling classes aboard control basically the whole world and for revolution (great progressive change) to happen the working people of America have to be awaken.

    This ruling class forms dictators aboard and destroys, oppress and exploit people to profit and maintain it is power, and wealth. These ruling classes keep the working class (the organ of societies) of people in constant struggle, rivalry, desperation, conflicts, wars, and insecurity to maintain their power and wealth. They are the ones who are cheapening your labour not the Mexicans who are victims too and moving capital aboard for cheaper labour and unregulated markets - in-order to force you to lower your standards and safeguards.

    They are the ones who destabilize progressive governments aboard that do not confirm to their authority and power and use the media to control your minds. They are the ones who slow progress in the name of profits and block nations and individuals from being self-sufficient to maintain their dependency for their need for cheap labour.

    The American working class even thought it is very apathetic is the most powerful to bring about great, constant, and permanent change (internal and aboard), it just needs awakening. Does this mean direct interference aboard? No that will be counterproductive and useless. It means spreading, sharing ideas and technology with the willing and empowering people through ideas to bring about their own desired change not forced change or democracy like Iraq.

    America, do you support this? Do you support what your ruling class is doing aboard and internal with your government and resources on your behalf?

    with great power comes great responsibility.
     
  2. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    A revolution will only change who exactly is the 'ruling class'. Seriously, study some history, lookit china, russia, france, the united states, cambodia, and every other country that has had a revolution to depose those at the top. after the queen, czar, or bougoise is taken down, a group of the leaders of the revolution seize power and you're back to square one.
    Why do you think that it's called a "revolution".
    It's kindof like rotating your tires when they are all flat.

    I appriciate that you want to help, that you see how shitty and unfair the world can be sometimes, and that you want things to change.
    However, dreaming of a fantastical revolution in human interaction is about as realistic a game plan as christians dreaming about the rapture.
     
  3. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    First of all, the "American ruling class" does not control the world. The people who control the world are internationalists, so they really have no affiliation or allegience with any particular country. (They seek a one world government.) The big central bankers are actually located in the City of London, and the old money families are primarily of European descent. America is under the rule of these central bankers, who in turn control America and its military. America is in fact controlled by the European banking families such as the Rothschilds, as it has always been. Even more so since the Federal Reserve was established in 1913, which transferred America's money production into the private hands of the big banks, who make worthless, fiat paper currency out of thin air while charging interest on it.

    Like I have said, George Bush is not the one running the show. He's a puppet. A stooge. The people who control America, who are not necessarily American (though some of them are), control Europe as well.

    Former Georgetown Professor and Bill Clinton mentor, Carroll Quigley, referred to this as the Anglo-American Establishment, and it's the Anglo-American Establishment that controls America, Europe and much of the rest of the world. Everything traces back to Britain, which is the heart of the Empire.

    Just wanted to clarify that.
     
  4. Pointbreak

    Pointbreak Banned

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    There is only one central bank in London, the Bank of England.
    Well no, actually, it didn't transfer money production into private hands, and no bank can create money out of thin air. You repeat this endlessly, yet whenever I ask you to explain it, you can't. Why is this? Since it seems to be so central to your conspiracy theory, I would think you would know it quite well. Yet you cannot explain it. I guess its one of those things you just have to believe on faith alone?
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I meant central bankers... not banks.

    Instead of me explaining how money is printed out of thin air, why don't you try explaining to me how it's not. I am sure it will just be the establishment propaganda version of how it works, but, nevertheless. You've spouted this establishment nonsense many times before, so I guess one more time couldn't hurt. Heck, you even believe that 19 Arabs with piss poor flying abilites hijacked four planes with boxcutters and managed to crash into 75% of their targets, all on behalf of CIA-controlled asset and patsy, Osama bin Laden, who supposedly coordinated the attacks from a cave in Afghanistan. But, the government told you, so it must be true. The media never lies, either.

    The big central bankers hold the ultimate power. They own governments. So how is it that the banks cannot print money out of thin air when those at the top of the banking system are the grand masters and THEY are the ones making the rules? When you say no bank can print money out of nothing.... according to whom? Who made this rule, because if you think it's the government, you must be even more gullible than you seem.
     
  6. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    Most first-world governments borrow from their population (issueing bonds) rather than from private banks. And most third world countries borrow from the IMF/World Bank because private banks won't lend to them.
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    The private banks are all controlled by the same people that control the IMF/World Bank. All money in the world is controlled by a total of just 13 families.
     
  8. Pointbreak

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    That's one approach. The conspiracy controls everything, so they can do anything. So nobody has to prove any actual ties or means of control, because they are so all pervasive that it doesn't matter. They just control everything. Of course such a theory is impossible to disprove, because how could it be disproved?

    You always turn to this argument when more concrete explanations fail. In fact we're sort of doing your argument in reverse. Normally, first you say that the Federal Reserve is not Federal, because it is private. Then you say that this is why the private banks control the world through control of the Federal Reserve and the money supply. Then I point out that while private banks control the regional Federal Reserve banks, they don't control the FOMC, which is where monetary policy is decided. Regional FRBs have no power to dicatate monetary policy. I would also point out that ownership of the regional FRBs is actually widespread, and in fact mandatory for banks operating in the system, and that you have never shown that these conspiracy banks (e.g. Rothchilds) own material amounts of any regional FRB.

    At this point you usually say that it doesn't matter if they are on the FOMC and it doesn't matter if they have actual shareholdings, because they control everything anyway so nothing really matters (it seems you've cut to the chase here and gone straight to the "central bankers control everything because they control everything" argument.

    But that exposes the fact that your claim that "the Federal Reserve was established in 1913, which transferred America's money production into the private hands of the big banks" is really a meaningless claim. You want to pretend that this is an event of great significance, yet at the same time when challenged you simply back away and say it wouldn't matter whether that was true or not because the conspirators control everything.

    In fact in this case, you have already hedged your bets because you say that "America is in fact controlled by the European banking families such as the Rothschilds, as it has always been." So they have always controlled everything, and then the importance of the Federal Reserve is... well logic is starting to break down. We're back to "they have always controlled everything", and therefore there is no need to prove anything.

    This whole Federal Reserve theory is a fraud, it is an attempt to sound academic and studied, but as soon as questions are asked it is swept away and we are back to "the conspirators control everything".

    I should add, as an aside, that you also claim that "fractional reserve banking" means creating loans from nothing. This is supposed to fit into the Federal Reserve theory somehow. It suggests that since banks only need to put $1 in the Federal Reserve to make an $8 loan, they are "making" $7. Yet it ignores the fact that What is happening is that they take $8 of deposits, put $1 in the Fed and loan $7. No money is created out of thin air.

    So tell me, which parts am I misrepresenting? Why does the Fed matter? How is money created by nothing by private banks?
     
  9. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Well, you just have to be hopeful if a new ruling class is formed it is better than the one before and if you study some history there are many example of this..
     
  10. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Ruling class is just another term for upper class.

    I don't know who the upper class consists of or who is in control whether it is some bankers or central bankers somewhere. All I know is that they exist and they need be revolted against whoever they are... for this world to change for the better...
     
  11. flor pequena

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    Why do Americans think the world revolves around them? America in reality has very little to do with the rest of the world. We do and see and think about exactly what we want and most of that has nothing to do with America. In fact most of the time we just laugh at America and the poor stupid Americans who are so duped into thinking that they are the be all and end all. Americans are some of the less free people in the world, brainwashed into thinking they are so great, but brainwashed nonetheless.

    America: the rest of the world don't care and you certainly don't rule us or have any hold over us whatsoever.
     
  12. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    Actually, the IMF uses a weighted voting system based on the size of their monetary stake.
     
  13. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    I don't really care about your personal feelings about the US, but we're a founding member of NATO, the UN (with a permanent seat on the security council), G8 and NAFTA/CAFTA. All world currencies are pegged to the dollar, our military is larger in terms of expenditures then the next 20 nations combined, giving us the ability to extend it anywhere in the world, we have the largest GDP roughly equiling the EU combined.

    We're the largest inventor and exporter of technologies, and the largest exporter of cultural items such as art, music, and literature.

    I don't really care with arguing with people from wherever you're from about the US viritues because I'm lazy and somewhat disillusioned.

    But saying we're not very influential just isn't true.
     
  14. Turn

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    I didn't read the thread, but I have one smart thing to say

    Globalisation has given people all over the world the same enemy. Big companies
     
  15. spooner

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    Some currencies are pegged to the USD, but many are free-floating. Pegging it to the dollar is often just a way to keep it artificially low.
     
  16. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    You're right, I meant *gold* was pegged to the dollar in international markets.
     
  17. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    From Bretton Woods until 1970, yes. Since then it has been free-floating.
     
  18. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    I somewhat agree, the American people need to wake up to stop and condemn the ill actions of their government and what their government is doing aboard on their behalf.

    America is dominate not because it has the largest military and economy but because it sells it is culture aboard.

    The American government, whoever it works for has obstructed many working class movements from succeeding. Therefore the American working class needs to join the side of the oppressed instead of supporting the the oppressors that oppress them and people aboard.
     
  19. green_revolution

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    If you don't want another class war, why not abolish all classes?
     
  20. themnax

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    the times are always a chainging. america is screwing the whole world, INcluding itself. and yes needs to stop doing so. and in time, like all things, will, eventualy fall.

    as for revolutions, there is a slight problem with them, i mean aside from the obvious carnage and piles of tore up crap and dead bodies all over the place, pain, suffering, all that sort of thing, there is also the tiney matter of that they seldom signifigantly improve what really most needs chainging.

    what do i suggest? i suggest boycotting aggressiveness in all its forms, however actively or passively, in what every way, at whatever level of personal risk or lack of it, each individual person feels within reason and their cappacity to do so.

    you know if 85% of the people practiced do unto others as you (or they) would have them do unto you, 55% of the time, or 55% of the people did so 85% of the time, every government on the face of this planet would collapse in 15 minuets.

    of course i mean practice honestly and objectively, not just by making arbitrary assumptions.

    and you know what, that just might could happen too. do you realise, by the late 70s, befor the ragun khomany colusion pulled their fast one, we almost made it too.

    next time it ain't gonna be almost.

    maybe only happens once or twice in a centure, but the real revolution isn't fought by fighting, but by living priorities and example.

    =^^=
    .../\...

    i'm all for abolishing classess. you're not going to do that by killing anyone or destroying anything either.

    and i like that example/illustration, a revolution is like revolving your tyres when all of them are flat. exactly.

    we need something that works better then revolutions because revolutions don't and yes we really do need something.

    we need chainging our core values that we actualy live by that create a market for the problems we have. unless and untill we do that, all the idiological name chainges change only idiological names.

    you don't want a tyrannt class? fine. i don't either. so lets stop creating a market for them by putting trying to impress each other ahead of encouraging creativity and exploration (and i don't mean marketting) and not having to worry about things we wouldn't have to if we weren't creating them to have to in the first place.

    i honestly believe it can be done. if indiginous people could have done it for ten thousand years i think there's something to be learned from how they actualy did it, and i don't mean silly hollywood asumptions about that either.

    =^^=
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