This is mostly from a previous post of mine (with a small edit or two): You say once this economy collapse, I can't see how that would happen, can you describe how that would take place? It shows no signs of that happening. Last year, the U.S. Gross Domestic Product was about $12,500,000,000,000.00, about $34,240,000,000 per day !!! Largest ever. The total spent over the past few years in & on Iraq is about $334,000,000,000... that's less than ten days of what this country produces. But let's consider what would happen: If the economy did collapse, let's say "overnight" or suddenly, among other things the food production & distribution systems would stop & there would be mass starvation ... tens or even hundreds of millions. Seem extreme? Go ask your local grocery store how long they can stay open if food shipments stop. Let's say the economy collapsed, but slowly. If it did start to do that, those now suffering would be joined by others suffering and the suffering would get worse, the rich would get richer and the poor would become more numerous and worse off. And rather than continuing to collapse it would be patched. Or maybe the people we let continue to control the country would just invade a few more countries. If that's what's going to change things, can you explain how? Peace, poor_old_dad
Right... Good luck with that, let me know how that works out for you... Good luck Peace, poor_old_dad
I think a more likely possibility is that people will just organize themselves and the old government will just fall apart, unless they try to keep control by force.
I don't know. Depends on what you mean by, "organize themselves and the old government will just fall apart". Thing is, every two years most of the elected U.S. federal government stands for election. The "old government" could be replaced through peaceful & legal means. But folks don't seem interested in even talking about that. They seem to prefer to hang around places like this and bitch, moan, groan, complain...basically whine on & on about the same stuff, over & over & over again. Don't get me wrong, I agree with all the complaints and problems stated, plus some others too. And I'm totally with the idea that change is needed. I want efforts focussed on solutions that will work. If people would organize themselves, then get off their asses and vote for change, the "old government" would fall apart 25 days from now. If you mean organize themselves to bring about a violent overthrow, then yes, that would be prevented by force. It'd be kind of like an ant being hit with a large hammer. A lot of so called hippies around here seem to have the silly shit idea that violent overthrow will and should happen. These, of course, aren't Hippies. They are "hippies" (posers, wanna-bes, outside agitators, etc.). True Hippies don't advocate violence, especially until all peaceful means have been tried. But not to worry, there is no chance of that happening. Like I've said before, people who are too sorry & lazy to get off their asses and do something as simple, easy and effective as vote, are not going to do something as long, hard, dangerous, complicated and sure to fail as rise up and try to overthrow the government. I'm sorry to say, but the sad truth is there is a middle ground between vote for change and rise up in arms. It's for things to keep going about the same as they have been. I hate the idea of that, but it's starting to look to me like that's the most likely outcome. Of course, as always, these are just my ideas & opinions. I could be as full of stuffing as a Thanksgiving turkey. If so please explain. And not just say something like: If you look at my previous post in this thread, you'll see I've done the math. Show me your math. Peace, poor_old_dad
What I meant in my previous post is that a more plausible idea than revolution is that people will organize in the sense that they will start building alternative autonomous communities free of control from the government. Eventually (if all goes to plan), these communities would be so efficient and encompass such a large part of the population that they would provide everything needed to survive such as food and education. At that point, there would no longer be any need for the American government since they would have nothing to rule over. The risk at that point would be the government comming in and breaking up these communities by force (like what happened in Spain in 1936), claiming that it was for the "common good".
What you're suggesting would not be allowed. Like I said, people who are too sorry & lazy to get off their asses and do something as simple, easy and effective as vote, are not going to do something as long, hard, dangerous, complicated and sure to fail as try to start another country within this country. It's an interesting idea, but I'm afraid it won't even be tried. Peace, poor_old_dad
I say that the revolution will happen when people finally get tired of being treated like crap while CEOs reap record profits. When the money and jobs are taken away from the people, and we end up as peasents, a revolution will start. It will be like the French revolution, without the beheadings.
I think you're greatly underestimating the power of the people. In fact, what I described is sort of happening to some degree in Mexico and other parts of the world. But I think it could go a lot further...
No way any "revolution" is happening anytime soon, collapse or no collapse. Americans are just to lazy. They would rather sit in front of their computers and bitch than do anything to intitiate any real change. If you're to lazy to put the pipe down and go vote then you're to lazy to participate in a revolution. Revolution requires effort and passion which most persons generation X and beyond just dont have. The anti-government people talk a good game but thats all it is. Talk.
The truth hurts. That's why you'll never see a draft because that WILL get the younger folks off their collective asses to become active. It's just too easy to fool yourself into believing that what's going on in the world has no effect on you. Willfully ignorant people deserve to have their rights taken away by the war criminals they allow to take control.
Once the delicate balance snaps the rich wont get richer matter of fact they well become target of the poor and with low estimated 80 million of armed americans the very rich or goverment might face the guillotine like it happen in France.
you guys are talking as if the economy is on the verge of collapse and peoiple are reaching for their guns..there is no sign of any economic collapse. especially while we are in Iraq. war if a big money maker. so this is kinda pointless cause if it did happen, it will happen years from now.
