amnesty international's report on human rights abuses: guantanamo bay

amnesty international report on human rights abuses addresses US treatment of terrorist subjects.

amnesty's guantanamo bay human rights campaign:

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-eng

read the full report:

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng

all AI's documents on guantanamo bay:

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-library-eng

white house response to the report:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050531/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

i have very strong opinions on this matter, but i am very interested in hearing what people here have to say. please discuss.

 

Mistreating prisoners? So what? Theyre prisoners. It's not supposed to be fun or humane. What do you expect? Shuffleboard and satallite TV? Steak and lobster for dinner? To hell with them.

 

And that is part and parcel of the decline of our adherence to due process of law, human rights, government accountability and the all too unfortunate extent of most of our sheepish public's concern for our nation's abrogation of everything our grandfathers fought WWII to establish as UNIVERSAL norms of justice.

Nevermind that the admin has no legitimate evidence upon which to hold either the prisoners in Gitmo, Baghram or Abu Graib (and the other holding facilities our beligerent war machine is operating against international law).

Nevermind that this report highlights the extent of delusion and self-convinced lies in which our the administration is steeped to the point of self contradiction at every turn.

It's little wonder our populace is growing ever more out of touch with the world outside our insulated media-sanitised bubble of self grandeur. But as it always has with every rotting empire, the day we have to answer for the crimes of our leaders is drawing ever closer.

 

I do think they should 'chill out' a bit as far as parroting the rights supposedly being infringed on.. i do apreciate when you see pictures of abuse from stupid stupid individuals you may think thay have a point and they do good (wich they do).. The constant spotlight and the reporting of every tale a prisoner who is in Guantánamo Bay tells is unfair..They do indeed generaly hate america and are not going to be that willing to praise there treatment are they. They can sometimes seem a little to willing to report any 'human wrongs' on that particular matter.

If you compare some of the hell holes they report on in other parts of the world and compare them to Guantánamo Bay.. that place is a bloody palace with perfectly good human rights being adhered to.. like Bush says they are being a little absurd , but i suppose for a genuinely earnest reason. They should just be less willing to veer towards being self rightous.

 

So you jusitfy capturing people without proof and whisking them away without any due process of law or proof of any crime to suffer indefinite detention?

Real champion of "democracy" and "liberty" you lot are. You are the very sort that proves such slogans hollow and which sit by happily whilst tyranny entrenches itself firmly in our Western societies. I can only imagine how you would have cheered Senator McCarthy and his band of power junkies as they destroyed the lives and careers of thousands of innocent people in their witchhunts. Change "Commie" to "terrorist" with just as little credible evidence and here we are full circle repeating the shame from which we should have learned only a handful of decades ago.

And once again Matthew, elementary school arguments such as your "Look at how bad THEY are, we're not so bad" are nothing but an evasion of civic duty and norms of justice for which you and your ilk will duplicitiously turn out the next minute and claim to staunchly support.

Hypocrites the lot of you!

 

It may have been slightly simplistic of me..but it is actualy a good point imho.

I was talking about Guantánamo , of the other 24 shown in this segment , why does AI not focus more on them , i would be very intrested in knowing more. Are they so bad that AI can't gain any access ? they have to focus on this particular prison to highlight human rights abuse allowed under Bush ?. It is completly missing the real story if they continue to persist in focusing on one particular place that even thay admit is being allowed to be focused on, to shift attention away. If they know that well , shift your attention away from GB for a while AI. Cynicaly i fear becuase they are getting 'juicy' stories from said place THEY are infact keeping focus on this place for there own agenda

Familys frustration and need for information i can fully understand. The media headlines of 'abuse' that is always being reported in a highly biased fashion and too many stories that are being written that are from 'sources' and are 'specualtion' and also from released prisoners or detained prisoners that might or might not be true... would make me be unsure and possibly horrified if i was a family memeber. Are you going to say as far as 'abuse' is concerned they are (the media) spot on LickHerish ?.

It is not like i am fully against AI but they are a pressure group, with all the flaws and prejudices that comes part and parcel with being a presure group.. Thy MUST keep up the presure, to hell with the consequences.

 

Hypocrites the lot of you!


It may seem like that, i just want the proper truth.. not the hype.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050531...MZQezOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2MTQ3MTFjBHNlYwN0cw--

the plot thickens...

 

Elaborate your point of view.

Some people doing questionable activities were supposedly bought by the americans.. and ?.

 

Hardly surprising and all the more likely just as the vast preponderance of those regularly splashed across the screen in mainstream news reports of "victories" in this longstanding bogus (and diversionary) War on Terror (more likely to be hit by bus than ever meet or come near a single real "Al Qaeda" member) are actually any host of CIA-assisted, Bush administration hushed up, legitimate opponents of those brutal dictatorial regimes with which Bush and co are all to happy to keep doing business.

Its all lies and hypocrisy and the very betrayal of "justice" and "democracy", not any "export" or "victory" thereof.

Perhaps if our public ever wakes up from this round of self delusion or has another Pentagon Papers-styled expose, we will finally send a clear signal through the instutionally corrupt ranks of our three branches of government, CIA, FBI, and Pentagon (all the centers of longstanding "maintenance-of-unaccountable-elite-concentration-of-power-and-profit" which have spat repeatedly on our nation's founding principles and abused its potential to propogate the very tyranny our founders warned would come if we allowed ourselves to become smug and complacent in our civic scrutiny) by convicting them all for their concerted complicity and treason and hanging them for all to see as an example of the "zero tolerance" they have so often advocated towards others.

That would be a good start to correcting a system run away with its presumption of priviledge and power.

I won't hold my breath waiting for it though. Most of the sheeple are too busy numbing their minds to Bill O'Reilly or Oprah to notice the direction in which we are headed.

 

Matthew, honestly, are you that cognitively dissonant that you are incapable of extrapolating the very clear and likely reality behind the all too many (and there are tens of thousands not reported by mainstream media) "detainees" held without evidence or due process by our military establishment to perpetuate this myth of a necessary endless war on terror?

Anyone with half a brain and some intellectual honesty can see the eagerness with which any individual or group run afoul of those with whom Washington happens to be friendly at this moment could be railroaded to serve as convincing examples of "victories" against the phantom Emmanuel Goldstein myth of "Al Qaeda" and its media-inflated "global network".

The one's with the "global network" of whom people ought to be fearful are the same as they have long been, namely our MIC and intelligence communities - with their lengthy roster of documented global atrocities and manipulations in countless strategic economic or military client states.

Keep playing the "I don't get it card" and one day perhaps it will be you or someone you know who just happens to find themselves on the wrong list and "disappeared" without proof to serve a bogus status quo. Perhaps youll get the brutal and fraudulent gist of it then.

Or do you really need to have the nature of Afghani (or equally Iraqi) tribal warlordism and its factional rivalries explained to you so you can see the picture that is staring you in the face?

 

Let's hear it for our American soldiers always setting the standards for liberty, freedom, and democracy around the world!

 

man your head is really fucken dead init . big hard deadhead without an once of compassion for another human being,...........no wonder the world is fucked up with dickheads like you on it.

 

( quote) like bush says they are being a little abused man A LITTLE ABUSED....shake your head matt and take a fucken raincheck.

 

Interesting that somehow from the comfort of Brussels you can tell us that there is NO legitimate evidence on any of the prisoners in Gitmo, Baghram, Abu Graib - or any other holding facilities.

Of course this could instead be more of your typically substanceless hyperbole packed into tedious run-on sentences (futher inflated with meaningless verbiage inserted in brackets).

 

Ah so you have this evidence do you? Or better yet you simply trust repeatedly exposed liars in this administration that they have such evidence even though they refuse to produce it in accordance with either our own national or more rightly international norms of due process?

If anything is constant in any thread you post PB, its your routine slavish sycophantry to the real criminals and terrorists who should be rotting away in Gitmo, namely Bush & co.

But as we know, evading any possible critique to maintain your subscription to their fraudulent War on Terror (read: smokescreen for inflated MIC expenditures) is your forte. Of course, let whatever other leader toward whom they direct your blinkered gaze abduct, detain and torture (or export to client nations for that purpose) thousands of individuals and youre all up in arms about human rights abuses.

You're a perfect neocon disciple and a truly irresponsible American citizen.

 

?.. amazing how you can take a small facet of my post and ignore the thrust of what i was saying..it would not be so bad if i had not tried to further my POV later on in subsequent posts. Is it that difficult to understand what i am saying ?. Sorry if i don't swing Licks way or try and 'attack' like PB (sorry PB, no offence). I am not even sitting on the fence either for you to think i am being 'wishy washy'.

 

Good cuz that job is TAKEN!

 

I did type and delete a few responses i was prety proud of, but thought 'nope i will leave that foy you' (or maybe myself if i get ... substanceless hyperbole packed into tedious run-on sentences (further inflated with meaningless verbiage inserted in brackets).