Anarchists

now this is just purely about anarchy, I just have a simple question




how are people not going to be people?


rather, with no law enforcement, with no infrastructure, with no laws, with no military, who is going to keep the "1%" of bad people from killing the weak?

who is going to keep businesses from expanding out of control and enslaving it's workers?

how will the power vacuum not be filled by another government instantly?

what will happen to all the loose nuclear weapons all over the planet?

how will people who depend on medications to survive get them?






now these look like several questions, but I assure you, they all fall under the umbrella question, "How do you keep people from being people?"

and this isn't even the beginning of questions and problems you have with anarchy

I want to know how an anarchist works it out without links, because frankly you are not going to have your links if the world goes sideways, I want your words, not copy paste

of course this is a "free speech forum" so I cannot stop you, but do think about what sorts of things would happen if the government that controls the main trunk servers that control the internet suddenly collapsed

 

Good questions dude
IMO the concept of total anarchy cannot work since as you said, people will forever be people. Sooner or later someone will assume control and naturally people will submit to that person, hoping that he will provide them security.
To make an anarchistic society work we would still need a judicial system, a law enforcement system and other social and public services. So in a way, that's not total anarchy.
You would then have to have a law or something that stops those people from taking over.
So in the end, a total anarchistic society wouldn't work since it's the nature of man to try to control what's around him. You'd also have that 1% of crazies fucking people over and unless you have something to counter that, the world's done for.
We CAN have something similar to anarchy, but not exactly like it.
I can't really answer your questions since I'm still trying to answer them myself. There's a lot of people who just want to go ahead with a revolution without thinking of what would happen next. If we really want to make this work, we have to get a new society planned out, and have the revolution after. Then at least we'd have something to fight for.
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You should also check the history of The Spanish Revolution since many anarchists feel that was an example of what we stand for. Although it didn't last long, it's a perfect example of what could come close to being an utopian society.

 

if everyone on this planet was granted REAL equality noone would be poor. the last challenge humans have to undertake is that of greed. when millionaires and billionaires exist on the same planet that of which over half are in poverty, that goes to show how much we really care about eachother. when the US has spent 2 trillion dollars since the war on Freedom (Iraq) it makes you think, wow, we go to that extent to kill people, but saving people? feeding people? providing them with a clean place to stay, water, food, and electricity, is that too much?

anarchy in itself will not work because there are too many assholes who would abuse it. communism in Russia didnt work because they mainly manufactured in heavy industry, and the people ended up getting pissed because they werent getting necessities like shoes, bread, etc.

If all our efforts were to be focused on helping mankind instead of destroying it and using it for personal gain, well we'd have a perfect world lol.

IMHO, the best system of government is a system based on Communism and Democracy. level out the wages, add up our money and divide it equally between people. Let the people decide (vote) on what to produce, but standardize it. Stantardize everything. I'd take a one-world-government of communism controlled by the people anyday over any capitilistic one-world-government.

"how are people not going to be people?"
cant answer this because people will always be people and i think government reflects society tremendously. a peaceful country would likely have peaceful people in it.

"The US military budget was almost as much as the rest of the world's."

"The US military budget was more than 30 times as large as the combined spending of the seven “rogue” states (Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) who spent $13 billion."

"The seven potential “enemies,” Russia, and China together spent $134.2 billion, 34% of the U.S. military budget."

we have a VERY violent government, and the United States has'nt gone over 20 years without having a war.

"rather, with no law enforcement, with no infrastructure, with no laws, with no military, who is going to keep the "1%" of bad people from killing the weak?"
why would you want to kill anyone when theyre all on the same page as you. TRUE anarchy would need laws but few, as in no killing people, no rape, etc. which would be collectively set up by the people.

"who is going to keep businesses from expanding out of control and enslaving it's workers?"
isnt that capitilism? yea thats what is going on today dont blame anarchy

"how will the power vacuum not be filled by another government instantly?"
very good point. in anarchy the power is in the hands of all, and it would be everyones responsibility to uphold equality and take down those who try to usurp power. The only military we'd need is Militias for each city.

"what will happen to all the loose nuclear weapons all over the planet?"
Anarchy didnt create this problem, but imperialism and war did. hopefully people will be smart enough not to destroy themselves and Earth any more than we already have. They would all have to be gathered up and destroyed (im not sure if its possible) either that or send them to another planet along with our nuclear and toxic waste.

"how will people who depend on medications to survive get them?"
medication would be available to all who needed it as well as food, water, a livable equal wage, and healthcare.

 

Know what you need for anarchy to work? Simple, really. You need to have the word, the concept, GREED irradicated - removed from our lexicon, our minds, our knowledge.

What's wrong with Democracy? Greed.
What's wrong with Socialism? Greed.
What's wrong with Communism? Greed.
What's wrong with any system of government? Greed.
What's wrong with people in general? Greed.

See how simple it is?

 

who said there was no laws in anarchy?,there is democracy in anarchy so there can be laws but they must all be voted on by the people not a handful of people who usely dont even know how the law will effect people casue there so far detached from them.in anarchy there are laws which stop killing, raping, other anything such as that

the works control the businesse so the ones who will be effecting and effected by the expantion will be the workers,unless they enslave themslefs i dont see where this is a problem

you pay taxes for health care this would included

so far anarchy or something close to it is the only government that makes sence, its a democracy and would work like any other demacratic government the people contorl the government directly and there arnt any politisions with there own agends and plans and the workers are more in control of there jobs inseted out million dollar corprat assholes

 

I agree that you covered communism, but that's all I agree with.:H And I believe you stated that the elimination of greed is a goal of communism. I think that greed must be eliminated first. Then the choice of government, or lack of government, won't make any difference.

 

Done. What purpose did that serve?

 

when things get so drastic that they're forced to change whether they like it or not. until such a crisis like that occurs human consciousness is not yet developed enough to handle a system like anarchy or socialism.

i think we're living on the threshold of that crisis now: i give it a few more years until our money based oil-dependent economies breaks down irrevocably. when that happens ppl will be faced with a stark choice: either regress back to the old 'dog eat dog' mentality or advance towards something better, towards a higher state of consciousness that would enable a system like social-anarchy to be possible. not only will it become possible but i think it will be essential for the survival of the species. we can't go back to the old ways of consumer capitalism and environmental destruction. society will have to function as smaller scale communities being self-reliant and self-regulating. there certainly won't be any system of paper money, any supermarkets, and no governments either. this means ppl must unite if they are going to survive. the alternative is just too hideous.

despite the gloom and doom of the near future, i'm optimistic we'll get through the next big change. this is after all the beginning of the age of aquarius and aquarian ideals are the closest thing you'll find to anarchism there is.

 

who is making the laws if there isn't a government?


because if there is someone making laws, that is a governing body, i.e a government

so there aren't laws in real anarchy, you say laws you are contradicting yourself


there are a whole lot of other contridictions, but I really don't even want to take the time to go through them all


and if everyone is part of the government that isn't anarchy, that's democracy


you need a new tag if you want that.....

 

Dude, I think you're sort of missing the point. Anarchy is just a word, what counts is the general idea behind it. Call it socialism, communism, anarchism, liberatarianism or whatever else you want. The point is, all these words basically revolve around the same idea, and that is equality between human beings. The whole process is about strengthening the community, no your own social status.

 

the general idea behind it is no government, the general idea behind communism and socialism is huge government and the idea behind liberatarianism is the government doesn't help your ass when you are sick, poor, unemployed, old, or otherwise down on your luck because it can't afford to, small taxes, small gov't small help....



anarchy is the idea of no government, if you are something else find another damn title, and get a decent definition of government while you are at it....

 

Small taxes, more money in MY pocket. More money in MY pocket, more options I have. I could afford insurance, or medicine, or hospitial... etc.

 

then that would be a misunderstanding of socialism. look at who's got the biggest government sector in the world today and it's the united states of america which can't be called communist/socialist by any stretch of the imagination. big centralised government is what ended up happening in the ussr and china with china reversing that now as they go towards a model of free enterpirse/state capitalism. big bureaucracy is what transpired but that's in no way contingent on sociaist philosophy: that's a system of government and style of administration and not a poltical philosophy. look at the venezeulan model which despite all the rhetoric in these forums about communism is quite overlooked as a practical and burgeoning model of what can be achieved under socialism. here big government and bureacracy has been foresaken for a more localised model of development. sure the government's seen as being the facilitator of action and the provider of resources but pplgthere have a much higher sense of ownership of their government b/c bureacracy hasn't alienated them from it. the government is actually responsive to the real needs of its citizens. the profits from their oil exports are being distributed far more widely among the ppl than ever was the case under previous governments which is what distinguishes this government as being socialist.

 

wow, that is totally unreadable.....

 

This is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that?

As for Venezuala, Chavez proves that if the oil price triples, Venezuala has three times as much tax money to spend on social programs. What aspect of this validates socialism remains unexplained.

 

they're the biggest probably due to military budget alone (not counting social security as gore vidal rightly insists in my view, and counting the cost to government of this war and all wars past for which the government still pays). you can't be the biggest superpower in the world and not have a big government sector. who's got a bigger one?

that's true. he relies on capitalist markets to pay for his social programmes. pretty bright i reckon. what's going to happen if the oil price plummets is the question. aq good question but is that likely to happen?

 

dude there is a type of governemnt in anarchy.anarchy is a self government it works like a democracy,most anarchists belivie in direct democracy and yes there are laws like no killing, raping, stealing this like that,anarchy is a non authoritarian governement meaing the people run everything not just who gets into office

 

if there is government it isn't anarchy, if you believe in any sort of government, even self government you aren't really an anarchist


and if you are really an anarchist you are just an idiot who wants people killing and raping with no reprucussions because w\ real anarchy based on the MEANING OF THE DAMNED WORD there is NO government

if you are governing yourself, that's government.....

so you have either mislabeled yourself or you are completly deluded, pick a card........

oh wait, third card, silly me.... sociopath for those who want the children being killed.....

 

Anarchy (in a governing form) is the absence of political authority, not the absence of laws. Anarchy means the absence of any "rulers" and some people think society would be better that way. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't take measures to protect eachother from harm, they would just do it differently than we would if under a gov't. For example they may decide as a local community how to deal with those that do harm on a case by case basis rather than making lists of laws beforehand and electing people to enforce them.

You're the one who is deluded because you ask questions about a form (or lack thereof) of government, but you don't want to listen to answers that don't line up with your conceptions of anarchy. Why ask if you think you know it all already?

 

this is what i ment,it works by direct demcracy, and i said there are laws AGAINST raping,killing,stealing in anarchy,im not for killing or raping you fucking moron,there is still a governing form but its non authoritarian,im not an anarchest but i agree with most or what they say im for direct demcracy which most anarchist agree with