Anarchy and sticking it to the man

Discussion in 'Protest' started by potheads, Feb 27, 2008.

  1. potheads

    potheads Member

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    It's a little hard sticking it to the man it seems, but there are some small subtle changes that can make you feel better about finding freedom for yourself in a near police state America.

    What are some things you do?

    Personally, always rip down signs of candidates you know want harsher drug penalties.

    A good way to get free hot meals for you and your friends is this.

    Call a restaraunt and act a little angry, but patient. Tell them you got food from them that was made wrong, and that you want it made right. Mention you wanna drop through on your way home from work right now, so it's more pressure on them to respond. They'll probably try to dick out at the last minute, and give you less food than you told them you ordered, so you may want it to be a little more than you actually need.

    For instance, 2 screwed up whopper combos are turned into two whoppers, and one drink, two pizzas and an order of wings is one pizza and an order of wings.

    Some places might not do it, but there are countless fast food places pretty much everywhere, right?

    Any tips anyone would like to share?
     
  2. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    These are awesome ideas!
    And since I work in fast food, I can give you all the secrets to getting free food.
    Here's the deal;
    call up or come in; be visibly irritated. HAVE YOUR RECEIPT, this is a near must! Have a fairly recent reciept, even if the order was fine...
    Now, demand to speak to the manager on duty and present the receipt. Mention how your order was wrong and this happens constantly; you are a long time customer and you're thinking of taking you business elsewhere.
    They may first offer you something cheap like a shake or fries; refuse and say you demand that you get your order remade since that is what you ordered and its their fault they messed up.
    Basically, make a big enough deal, you can get whatever you want.
    I work in fast food but I totally support this. I think of myself as an undercover for the working man... I always try to hook people up and give people good deals.
    Here's another interesting bit of info; you know when resturants have great deals on food that is usually expensive? fast food resturants HATE that and only do it because corporate tells them to; they usually tell us not to advertise it too much; i tell EVERYONE!!
    I hate big corporations, and I'm taking advantage of the fact that I work for one by helping others out.
     
  3. jaren420

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    both those are good ideas and work. potheads post is best for pizza i find.
     
  4. BillyX

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    fight the power! true anarchy there..... lol
    A better idea would be to get some super glue and put it in the locks of banks, fast food restaurants, government building who ever u wanna piss off i guess i dunno im not much into this whole anarchy thing
     
  5. Nature_Child

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    Those ideas really aren't "fighting the man" and aiming for anarchy in a logical way. Because:
    A) The odds are you still spending more money than your your loosing the companies with return scams.
    B) They both deal with being directly confrontational with other members of the working class. Of course, any type of attack on the system is going to inconvenience workers, but it should be avoided. Part of fighting the man is to stop fighting eachother.
    C) By only removing some signs, your accepting the others as reasonable. Thats not really anti-authoritarian and just discontent with the current system. But as a side point, stealing signs have an additional benefit: They can be painted over and be placed anywhere with dirt.

    Personally, I think the three types of an anarchist action are:
    1. To damage their system.
    2. To build unity/support
    3. To make our systems more possible.

    But for all tactics:
    4. To have fun (No use letting the fight against control control you)

    Of course, many actions will overlap, and we should also take care that our actions damage the other points as little as possible. Here's a couple of my ideas, though, of course, one of the main benefits of an a non-hierarchal movement is the ability for us to constantly adapt and improvise tactics without needing to get a higher ups permission. We should take advantage of our ability to change tactics faster that they can prevent them.

    1.
    a. Lock gluing like Billy said. Remember, time is money, so time spent waiting for a locksmith is costly.
    b. Go into a bookstores with a small squeeze bottle of any liquid (paint, glue, water, etc. all work) palmed. Find books you find most offensive and walk along and "casually glance" at them. With the bottle palmed, put your hand on the book as if you are uncertain whether you want it or not, and squeeze, getting the liquid onto the top of the book. You have to work quick, since you need to be out of the store, or looking like a shopper if you don't think you'd be a suspect, by the time the first book is noticed. So its best to only start with a couple books your first time, and gradually work your way up where you can quickly mark large quantities. Of course, this works best if you are out of town or near one that you can easily avoid passing, since its quite possible to cause fairly large sums of damage (twenty-five $40-ish books is a grand) and they will try to find you. It serves to point out that most liquids, like water, still leave a book readable. And though I am not familiar with any store's policies, it seems logical that they could sell them in the used section. If this is the case, you can bring two liquids: use the worse one on books you oppose, and use water to make neutral and like-able books cheaper for other people! This tactic is easily adaptable too. A small blade can easily render packaged meat unsellable (I've thought about creating a glove with a tiny piece of a blade sticking out of the thumb, and then picking up and "inspecting" the various meats, though I'd never do so, that'd be illegal, and laws are the only the valid source of morals). If you look respectable (Being middle-aged and white is pretty much mandatory) you can even act as a concerned citizen and point out what those dirty vandals did (This can remove you as a suspect if your charismatic, but it does allow them to remedy the problem faster. Decide whats more important). Get creative, you'd be surprise how much sabotage can be caused in the middle of the day and inside the store, and that might be empowering for locals who don't feel safe doing nighttime attacks. Also, practice this whenever you are actually in a store to shop (Or, if you've completely stop buying things, when you are the library). In a fairly short time hovering your hand over items you are considering will become natural, removing any awkwardness from doing so.

    c. Change prices. You can either raise prices to discourage buyers, or lower the prices. Most large corporations have rules that if you are asked to pay a different price than listed you only have to pay the lower price, and some give additional discounts. What's better than taking money from the corps and giving it directly back to the people? Additionally, if the lower price was a fair price, it might help point out to people that what they usually pay isn't fair.
    First, choose the products you plan on changing. Figure out what the product is called on the shelf tags (Not sure what the technical name is. Not the price on the actual item, but on the shelf located underneath it).
    Next, you need a picture of any shelf tag (As long as they have the same look). Either steal one to scan at home, or quickly take a picture of one with any measurable object ( a finger could work) next to it for scale.
    Now create new stickers using the picture as your template. Don't get obvious with the prices, aim for "Wow! That's a good deal!" or "$X.XX?! I don't need it that bad!" But if you have bottles of ketchup at $10 a piece, a "caring citizen" is going to quickly point out the mistake. If you're no good at matching fonts, and you dont want to learn (If you do, look up guides on billboard liberation. similar idea, and they go in depth) get a few different pictures, getting as many of the needed letters and numbers amongst them as possible. Then store all the digits separately, copy, paste. This also makes striking again much easier. If you're going to being stealing several tags, try to make them scattered around the store on completely unrelated products, so it doesn't seem like vandalism.
    Go in and change the prices! Just remove the price tags on the actual packaging. Make sure to do it at a busy time and on common products, because this problem can be fixed so easily. Hopefully when the first person gets ringed up other people in other lines will also have the item (or have skipped the item for high prices)
    If you have one of the sticker makers, you can obviously save a lot of time by simply changing the price on the package.

    Afterthoughts: Though the entire system needs to be torn down, it makes sense to specifically target products you find the most offensive. Find out what products are notorious for their sweatshops, ecological damage, animal abuse, or anything else, and give them hell. Destroy all the meat. Leave only fair trade coffee standing. And the inverse is also true. Way to often do I hear of people fighting the man by shoplifting from charities, damaging struggling family businesses, or carhopping in a working class neighborhood.

    I know I didn't get into any of the other categories, but my posts are usually fairly incoherent, and doubt many people will read all of this anyways. Also, please no one hijack this board with rants to me about how freedom of speech and press protects the right of the biased media oligopoly cartel, or whatever (Not accusing, but it wouldn't be the first time). Either attack me privately or create a new board or something. I'd actually like to see a board on tactics stay a board on tactics.

    Sorry for all my rambling! But it likely won't be my last!
     
  6. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    Totse.com is a great website for information like this as well... a true anarchist site.
     
  7. freedomforthecolt

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    GO you in the system undercover people. my sister does the same thing she works at Mcdonalds and every time i go in and order something she slips in several extra things. It makes me giggle. I'll order 99 cent fries and get a meal
     
  8. rebelfight420

    rebelfight420 Banned

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    Or stop behaving like spoiled children?
     
  9. Nature_Child

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    Or stop assuming only spoiled kids are anarchists? And even though many are, doesn't the fact that the rich feel a need to rebel (No matter how misguided) kind of show NOBODY benefits from the system?

    Though, the wealthy and middle class need to realize the huge first step: reject your bourgeois life. How much money do you spend or have spent on you yearly? Combine that with how much corporations profit from your labor. You would have to cause that much economic damage (Not selling price, but wholesale) just to be neutral. At that point you aren't even harming the system, your just not helping it.

    And that totse.com really is just a bunch of whiny kids. The fact it loves to quote the consitution makes it clear they are not anarchists. Plus, just go to the forum to figure out who there target audience is, with topics like
    "stealing from the retarted... " and "Getting A Poor Kid To Snort A Habanero.." (Most people don't consider exploiting the poor to be anarchy. Otherwise, we already live in it) and "jacking off into your enemys soda".
    There's a board on how to shut down a store, most of the resposnes were designed at taking out mom and pop stores. A section called
    "Money Money Money...
    Finances, money, investing, saving, anything to do with the green stuff that makes the world go around."
    And its active, I strongly doubt its full of anarchists.
    Their environmental section description says "Tree hugging for fun and profit" - Yeah, fun and profit. Thats we do it.
    The actual sections (not on the forum) are about drugs, porn, and conspiracy theories.

    In short, that website is only anarchist if you believe anarchy is about doing a lot of drugs and stealing from the retarded.


    To requote the quote they use to describe anarchy,
    "It is no accident that the sinister image of the mad anarchist is so accepted. The State, the press and all the assorted authoritarian types, use every means at their disposal to present anarchy as an unthinkable state of carnage and chaos. We can expect little else from power-mongers who would have no power to monger if we had our way. They have to believe that authority and obedience are essential in order to justify their own crimes to themselves. The TV, press and films all preach obedience, and when anarchy is mentioned at all, it is presented as mindless destruction." -- The Anarchist Media Group, Cardiff (UK)"
    I have no idea how they can quote that with clean conscience, as they present anarchy as mindless destruction.

    Sorry about the rant, but don't claim your an anarchist unless your willing to think about is logically. Robbing the poor is not the same as robbing the rich.


     
  10. freedomforthecolt

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    As a part of the lower class(just one step above homelessness and almost there)we like are anarchy but you do have to think about it logicaly otherwise it's just random crap. "rob the rich and give to the poor. then your robinhood. Rob the already poor however and your just an ass" quote by unknown author
     
  11. Nature_Child

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    Amen. Too many people take the for-profit media portrayal as truth, as if they have no reason to be biased toward their enemies. If only people could understand that anarchists are not the same thing as anti-socials. Very rare that you'll hear about Food Not Bombs, or bike repair collectives, or Really, Really Free Markets, or guerrilla gardens, and if you do, they wont mention that those are usually started by and are full of anarchists.


    Disrupt the system. Feed the homeless without a permit.


    To make my post on-topic, here's another fun idea.

    Do fake surveys. Pretend you are doing it for school or something (something convincing so you dont seem like your working on some party's campaign) Design them to point out to people what they are doing, in their own words. Ask them who they plan on voting for, then have the next question be "Do you think the candidate in question 3 cares more about you than money?" or "Do you think this candidate will really allow you to do what you want?" And, because you know what their answer will be near-guaranteed (Trust me), the next question can be something along the lines of "Please, give a brief overview of why you think people should settle for a lesser, but still evil." It won't take many questions before you outright offend them, or they will begin asking you about alternatives. Bring propaganda, or at least have places they can do find it themselves. Other fun ones are to walk into a corporate clothing store, have one question be "Do you shop here often?" And another "What is your opinion on the use of low cost, commonly refered to as "sweatshops" to produce goods??" The answer is pretty obvious, so follow up is with "Please give a brief overview over why brand loyalty is a justification for tolerating a company that uses sweatshops?" Spread out the "Do you shop here" from the other two, so your intentions aren't obvious. Once again, you will get a combination of outright offense, and those looking for alternatives.I find it fun to start them with things like "Do you mind if I list your gender, or do feel that is an irrelevant thing that shouldnt be treated as basis for your opinions?" Get creative! Its fairly easy after a couple of times to learn to completely improvise. Sometimes people will outright argue with you, get used to it. Be assertive, but polite. And try to get out of the fight. Be dont admit being proven wrong, so get your points across, and leave them to think on them. All your doing with arguing is alienating nearby people and attracting security attention (And you will be considered the aggressor.) Maybe next time they come across the anarchist thoughts they will be more receptive.

    Those are all poorly worded, I'm decent at talking face to face, but I'm a horrible writer. Which sucks, as I'd like to start up my own zine.
     
  12. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    you chose a couple immature rants on Totse, out of the thousands of legit articles. Anyone can post an article on it. Look closer; Totse has a great deal of useful information.
     
  13. Nature_Child

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    Bloody, I chose those from the "Hot topics". Sure, there may be some anarchists in there, but thats true to any forum of decent size. But they aren't the majority. Hell, to quote their own FAQ:
    "A: A lot of people have some weird idea that this web site is a Bad Place, a place for hackers, software pirates, and anarchists. The reason that they think this is that there are informational text files on here about hacking, piracy, and anarchy.

    However, there are also text files on here that discuss politics; democratic, right wing, left wing, libertarian, communist, and everything in between, but this is not a political web site."

    The website does not attempt to be anarchist, but neutral, just a website where anyone can post anything. There are a ton of websites doing that. After closer examination, I've found a few diamonds in the rough, but that still does not justify the claim that the website is anarchist, or even majority anarchist. They seem to be the fringe just as anywhere else.
     

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