Anarchy will never work because

the human race itself does not have the capacity to be autonomous. The human race has a loooooong way to go before anarchy could ever be realized.

 

Funny, since anarchy was around loooooong before all this fascism.

 

Please explain the 'alien' forces then which allow for other systems of society to work?

 

Depends how you define autonomous I think.

Do you not make your own life decisions?

 

Free will occured when the monkey began to think about it's own thoughts, and changed the course of predeterminismic flow.

Free will is an ability that blooms from consciousness; awareness.

Some people change their path, and ride the waves
while others just ride waves
above the drowning.

 

Sometimes i wonder if there really could be anything close to free will but of course this is like questioning God it doesn't make me an athiest, i am far from a determinist so i really cant make my mind up.

Although "i dont know" is as far as any human can expect to get to.

 

I think Pascal's Wager should have been made for free will, instead of god, because then it would actually make sense.

It makes absolutely no sense, even in the face of contrary evidence, to "wager" against free will.
Because if it really doesn't exist you have no choice in your opinions anyway.
You may as well take a leap of faith in free will, cos you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by it.

Though personally I think the ideas of free-will and determinism can be reconciled, I just have a real hard time explaining it.

 

Anarchies are not all about control like people think.
Aarchists are really trying to get the people's attention, but nobody will listen. Because we are all too caught up in our own problems, we dont have the thought to listen to the bad things that are going on in this world.

 

One of the many reasons anarchy hasn't been successful is the fact that the oppressed do not know the face of their oppressor. How can you liberate someone who thinks they live in the land of the free? Cause a little disruption and show them that they will be the ones who will give to the rich when the poor suffer the most.

 

The only reason anarchy hasn't caught on is because stupid teenage kids think anarchy is all about blowing shit up and killing people and have no idea on what it really means. Also alot of people feel a need to have order and don't want to think for themselves. Even though people complain about it they want to be told how to run and operate their life,they want to be told to do something because it gives them meaning when they haven't given meaning to their own life. So until people realize anarchy isn't all about chaos and when they learn to wake up and give meaning to their own life and see they don't need a huge power telling them what to do in order to know something is right or that it needs to be done, unless this happens most people will look to some other power to give them meaning.

 

i agree with anonymous completley. i think a lot of people will dismiss anarachy as some sort of teenage rebellious fad where they listen to the sex pistols and tell them mums to piss off and think there being clever with it. anarchy isnt really anything to do with this. and i would agree most people dont want to be liberated, i dont think they would know what to do with themselves to be honest. As a concept i couldnt be more behind the idea, but in reality the sad fact is i dont think it can ever work in todays society.

 

I think society is more resourceful than you give it credit for.
When left to fend for themselves, people usually do.

Hundreds of (probably the majority of) our daily interactions are done without the government, and are organised purely on the basis of individuals voluntarily associating to get things done.

And even if society thinks it couldn't handle itself without government
What has that got to do with me

Because... well if "society" can't handle it, that is societies problem. It doesn't grant it legitimacy to rule over me

 

Well as of right now society isn't left to fend for themselves. They have a corrupt nanny government giving them all the things they want to keep them occupied as one would give a toy to a kid to keep him content. And if society has no motive to actually do anything then they won't. They may see things on the news that make them mad but they don't want to have to do anything to change it. They may mentally protest and express outrage to close family and freinds but most will not do anything. No one wants to change their way of life with all their lives planned for them so they don't have to take responsibility for it. They have to be weaned off the government and gradually taught to think for themselves. But to do that we would need to either breakdown the government or extremely make reforms to it in some way because the government is all about controlling peoples thoughts and making them mindless work drones. This is obvious from the fact that the government tells you that it's illegal to do drugs and various other things such as prostitution and victimless crimes. Because if you're allowed to do drugs or freely have sex then it opens your mind to other modes of thought. Because when you liberate your mind and think for yourself you don't think about working your 9-5 job and being a drone for the government. And the drugs that are all legal we can see don't change your mode of thought from the standard drone mind. Whereas marijuana changes your thoughts from that. They want to control your thoughts so they can control you. If you liberate your mind it disempowers them so they work to stop you from self liberation and autonomy which would be anarchy.

 

"Anarchy" would work just fine in an isolated area with a small population. The smaller the population the easier, the bigger the more difficult because the chance of someone becoming unsettled and trying to establish some kind of following with systems and rules and religions increases exponentially. Just scale it all the way down to one man and one woman on an island somewhere: do they need a form of government hovering over them to function, and where, when and why does this change? IMO the breaking point is when someone starts a "religion" via having some big bright idea (typically an -ism) which appeals to large groups of people <--- that is the beginning of the end, in comes corruption, delusion, division in descent as someone somewhere inevitably sees things differently and thus starts a different or opposing "religion," you name it. Basically, humans are fine, humans with "bright ideas" about the way things were are and should be can be very dangerous. That's where it all began. The circle of life is a perfect system that has been here and always will be, waiting for us, but human beings are compelled to move out of it and create problems where there were and are none.

 

power structures too big, groups of people too big

anarchy seems like it would work best on a smaller scale

besides, it will take GENERATIONS to educate the greed out of people

[if it can be done at all]

anarchy almost needs a cataclysm to become feasible

personal anarchy works just fine though

[refuse to participate]

 

sorry stigamerica, i hadn't gotten to your post before saying some of the same in my own...

 

If anarchy were to ever work (and I totally agree with the points made up above wa bluska wica, stigmerica, and xAnonymousx), our society would have to relearn how to be self sufficient. Right now, out society is absolutely dependent upon the government to take care of us. I have faith that we can revert back to self-sufficientcy, being that's how we lived for thousands of years.....its inherently in us. Just gotta tap back into that.

 

Unless your a PETA nut who thinks that ALL creatures have the most deep and profound thoughts on the planet.

 

Pfft. Animals. All they do is shit fuck and eat.
Now humanity, we are way above that. We invent things, like flushing toilets, contraceptives, and ovens!

Animals don't even have iPods for Pete's sake!